Special Forces and APFT

[USGuard1017]

Im 16 and joining the guard asap. Ive done a apft on my on and got 67 pushups 83 situps and a 13:10 2 mile run. where would i rank at bct ? What do u guys have and how important is the APFT to my milatary career? Its my life goal to get into NGSF and i WILL do it i just want to make sure physically i dont get whooped to bad lol but how would i be ranked at basic ?

[SSG_CONLEY]

Here you go. Best of luck. Call your local SF recruiter when you turn 17. http://www.nationalguard.com/careers...special-forces

[MPThink]

Here's a website to check out how many points you'd earn in each event: http://www.apft-standards.com/
If the link does't work or isn't allowed, Google 'Army APFT chart' to find the same thing. It depends on your age and gender, but those numbers sound good off the top of my head. Keep it up!

[Explosive Hazard]

Those scores would put you in the top 10% with a total combined score of 291. The APFT is huge in your military career. Its worth promotion points and it gets you noticed in a good way. You are on to a good start. A killer APFT score is only a small portion of whats needed to be SF. Some people will tell you that being able to ruck for days on end is more valuable than a 300 APFT score. Don't just focus on the APFT though. Don't neglect pull ups and running longer distances than 2 miles. Another important goal to have is to run 5 miles in 40.00 or less over rolling hills or 35.00 or less on flat ground. If you are interested in a way to train to blow away the 2 mile and run 5 miles in 35.00 or less shot me a PM. I developed a training plan that got me to a 12.07 2 mile, 26.20 4 mile and 8 miles in 56.48.

And lastly, being a PT stud is great but in SF your mind is your best weapon. Keep that in mind as you pursue your goal.

[USGuard1017]

absolutely. And i also run longer distances but the rest i need to do too. and PM ?

[Explosive Hazard]

absolutely. And i also run longer distances but the rest i need to do too. and PM ?

PM=Private message. Click on my name and it will give you the option. I'll send the first transmition in 3, 2, 1..........

[Mr_Loki]

Why the Guard?

Reason being is that I was in your shoes, too... and joined the Guard. Not that I am saying anything >.>

[USGuard1017]

[QUOTE=Teuvil;140853]Why the Guard?

Reason being is that I was in your shoes, too... and joined the Guard. Not that I am saying anything >.>


I want to serve my community aswell as my country. also i was intriguiged with the 19th and 20th SF groups. but mostly beca
use i want to get addition
al schools
airborne,sniper school etc. and figured with the guard id have more time to get them.

[Explosive Hazard]

I want to serve my community aswell as my country. also i was intriguiged with the 19th and 20th SF groups. but mostly beca
use i want to get addition
al schools
airborne,sniper school etc. and figured with the guard id have more time to get them.

your chances of getting those schools in the Guard are not all that great. These schools cost money, and in most cases ALOT of money. Money the state you live in typically does not want to pay. You would have a better chance at getting the cool unifrom candy schools if you were in a SF unit but honestly being in SF is not about the uniform candy.

[USGuard1017]

would i have a better chance in regular army unit ?

[Explosive Hazard]

would i have a better chance in regular army unit ?

Depends on the unit. In short, yes. If you go regular active duty Army and get into an Airborne unit such as the 82nd, or the 173rd, for example then there will be more opportunities to attend fun schools like Airborne, Air Assault, Ranger, Sapper, Pathfinder etc. Especially if you have a combat MOS such as 12B, 11B, 19D, 13F etc.

But if you get stuck in a mechanized engineer battalion as a 12B, they will be rare opportunities.

[USGuard1017]

what would my chances be as and 11b or 11c in a NG combat unit, which is what i want ? i mean if there is no chance than thats not what i want. i want to be someone who can fight again and again and come back every time. so if my chances are a 100 in the 82nd what would they be as and 11b in a combat oreinted NG unit ? really appreciate the feedback sir .

[Explosive Hazard]

what would my chances be as and 11b or 11c in a NG combat unit, which is what i want ? i mean if there is no chance than thats not what i want. i want to be someone who can fight again and again and come back every time. so if my chances are a 100 in the 82nd what would they be as and 11b in a combat oreinted NG unit ? really appreciate the feedback sir .

It's Sergeant, I work for a living.

Getting schools in the National Guard is a tough gig. The state you live in either has the money to send people or they don't. OR they have the money but they don't like to send people because most they send fail and waste the states money.

If you get into the National Guard and want to go to cool schools I'm going to warn you now that it is VERY competitive to earn a slot. Most units will have an Order of Merit List that will determine who goes to what school in what order if the schools become available. The OML list is determined by many different factors, PT scores being one factor. Also rank, time in service, leadership abilities in the field, NCOER's, and typically a company/battlion/brigade test. I've been sitting in the top tier of my battlions OML list for 3 years waiting on either Sapper Leader Course or Ranger School. In 3 years the battalion has not sent one person anywhere.

In an active duty unit such as the 82nd Airborne they have TONS of allocated slots for various schools every year. They typically want every NCO in a leadership position in a combat arms unit to be Ranger qualified. Obviously this doesn't happen and not everybody gets to go but there are far more opportunities in active duty than there are in the National Guard.

Airborne, Air Assault and Ranger School are the easier ones to get. All the other schools are hard to come by even on active duty. Schools like Halo, Pathfinder, Scuba, Sapper, Sniper, Mountain Warfare, RSLC, etc are far lower volume and some are almost limited to just SF personell like Scuba, Halo and RSLC. So Don't get your hopes up thinking that even in a high speed active duty unit you will be able to get a blinged out candy coated uniform.

I suggest you join active duty, get Airborne school in your contract and try to get the 82nd in your contract. From there become an expert in your MOS, keep a high PT score, jump at opportunities to take on leadership roles and jump on opportunities to attend the extra schools. Even ones that are not as fun, high speed or produce a neat little badge.

[USGuard1017]

OK that sounds good. thats what ill do. now where is the 82nd based im in FL is that ok ? also in active duty how often and long am i deployed. as i said i am determined to get into SF asap and dont want to have to be not-SF for long. lastly i would like to get a few schools under my belt before my 1st deployment, what would my options be ? HOOAH Sarge

[Mr_Loki]

It's Seargent, I work for a living.

And this is how we know you're a Sergeant. :P

82nd is in Fort Bragg, NC. If you're 11B in the 82nd, have fun with your 2-3 months in the field (depending on the unit). If you can't handle that, then don't even think about SF.

[SF Hunter]

If you truly want to pursue Special Forces in the Guard. There are currently opportunities in Florida to enlist and try-out for SF, right from the start. If you meet all requirements, pass the ASVAB/AFQT, have the right attitude and motivation. You could get the chance to enlist for the SF training pipeline: 11B OSUT, Airborne, SFPC, SFAS. Then if selected, on to the SF Qualification Course.
http://www.nationalguard.com/careers...special-forces
For more specific answers, you can contact: specialty@nationalguard.com with Special Forces in the subject line.

[Explosive Hazard]

And this is how we know you're a Sergeant. :P

82nd is in Fort Bragg, NC. If you're 11B in the 82nd, have fun with your 2-3 months in the field (depending on the unit). If you can't handle that, then don't even think about SF.

LOL. We have a spell check function too. FML.

[USGuard1017]

do i still have to be 20 though ? and what about my questions in my last post concerning deployment and schools ?

[Explosive Hazard]

do i still have to be 20 though ? and what about my questions in my last post concerning deployment and schools ?

It's time you start to do some research of your own. If you want to be SF then you will have to solve very complicated problems. Finding the answers to your questions is pretty easy if you put in a little effort into research. I guarantee you the answers are out there and are easy to find.

[USGuard1017]

ive done alot of research, everywhere i look it says either 20 or nothing , but i talked on the phone with a recruiter and he said 22 so i have no freakin clue which is true. Every other site condradicts the last one. I just found a site that said the 20th arent liked by other SF in afghan and are discouarged from hunting the taliban and another that said they are leading the way. you guys however seem to know your ****. so why look for new intel when u have a reliable and quick source already. lol i really apreciate everybody taking the time to give me advice. especially SGT Jug

[SF Hunter]

ive done alot of research, everywhere i look it says either 20 or nothing , but i talked on the phone with a recruiter and he said 22 so i have no freakin clue which is true. Every other site condradicts the last one. I just found a site that said the 20th arent liked by other SF in afghan and are discouarged from hunting the taliban and another that said they are leading the way. you guys however seem to know your ****. so why look for new intel when u have a reliable and quick source already. lol i really apreciate everybody taking the time to give me advice. especially SGT Jug

The minimum age requirement for Army National Guard Special Forces is 19.5 years, but the state and individual maturity level plays a major part in selection and availability of enlistment options.

[TylerM22]

This BUDS warning order is the best I've seen for a specific workout routine online or in a book. My uncle is a Commander in a SEAL team and he said that workout is legit. Follow this and you'll have a lot better chance of surviving special forces training. You need to find where the NG SF units are located and find out if they have openings in the units to enlist in. Then talk to a recruiter in that state. They have enlistment options for SF in the guard to as far as I know.

[dave777]

This BUDS warning order is the best I've seen for a specific workout routine online or in a book. My uncle is a Commander in a SEAL team and he said that workout is legit. Follow this and you'll have a lot better chance of surviving special forces training. You need to find where the NG SF units are located and find out if they have openings in the units to enlist in. Then talk to a recruiter in that state. They have enlistment options for SF in the guard to as far as I know.

Can you post the warning order or send to me in a PM? I'd like to look at it and use it if possible, but it's not attached.

[Explosive Hazard]

This BUDS warning order is the best I've seen for a specific workout routine online or in a book. My uncle is a Commander in a SEAL team and he said that workout is legit. Follow this and you'll have a lot better chance of surviving special forces training. You need to find where the NG SF units are located and find out if they have openings in the units to enlist in. Then talk to a recruiter in that state. They have enlistment options for SF in the guard to as far as I know.

I'm sure that workout is grueling and would get someone into great shape but training to become a SEAL is going to be different than training to become SF. Two different animals with different missions means a different physical focus.

[dave777]

Good point SGT Juggernaut. I currently do crossfit 5 times a week and I'm looking for something to augment that. You mentioned that you were developing a running plan. Would you send that to me? Running distances is definitely something I should work on improving.