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  • #31
    Re: State Military Reserve

    Thanks for the info fellas

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    • #32
      Re: State Military Reserve

      Originally posted by Jarhead-turned-Mustang View Post
      No argument there - I don't recall saying that the Guard or federal branches had to accept the rank of a non-prior SMR / SDF soldier on face value for recruiting purposes. Not that TAG can't make that happen (in extremely limited instances). Only that when we serve alongside our CANG counterparts, there is some respect for the SMR rank after we educate them about our mission of 50% help to the Guard and 50% to local civilian agencies for disasters. Half of the 1,300 CSMR soldiers are prior service, so we have a solid grounding to help bring our non-priors up to speed.

      As for the Militia being "Army", I've heard many good arguments about Title 10 worst case scenario versus strict Title 32 interpretation. I would wager heavily that if SHTF, there would be some crossover between these organizations.
      Jarhead and I have had good exchanges in PM but I think 9/11 was a good example of "SHTF" and I would love to see some examples of the state militia involved during those initial chaotic weeks.

      I guess the CSMR was involved in this.

      Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; September 23rd, 2013, 01:32 PM.

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      • #33
        Re: State Military Reserve

        Originally posted by Chief Kemosabe View Post
        Jarhead and I have had good exchanges in PM but I think 9/11 was a good example of "SHTF" and I would love to see some examples of the state militia involved during those initial chaotic weeks.

        I guess the CSMR was involved in this.

        "SHTF"????

        And that was ice cold Chief....ice cold. Conincidentally, that movie during the final scenes made me feel really hooah about joining the Air Guard to become a TACP, LMAO.

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        • #34
          Re: State Military Reserve

          Originally posted by Jarhead-turned-Mustang View Post
          Done. I want to be clear for Vet1985 that serving the California Reserves is not the same as with the Army or other strictly federal branches. But for everyones consideration I would suggest a comparison of someone earning their commission via Annapolis (something my USMCR son is pursuing with our congressman's help) vs ROTC vs OCS vs Platoon Leader Course vs the different National Guard OCS courses around the country vs state OCS, WOC or direct commissions available to the president, governor and TAG in each state.

          Each has different time and intensity requirements, but each produces an officer. I can find you a West Point grad who was drummed out for conduct unbecoming, and a NG or Title 32 state officer earning some of our nation's highest honors. Suggesting that the state militias are some how unworthy or otherwise inferior is to dishonor the very people who gave Americans independence, and subsequently fought in little skirmishes such as the War of 1812, Spanish American and of course the Civil War which gave rise to our modern National Guard format. That would be bad form IMHO.
          Quite simple - OCS/WOCS, ROTC and the Service Academies produce Officers and Warrants that hold a federally recognized commission, answer to the Commander in Chief of the US and are required to defend the Constitution of the USA. Failure to do either of those can land us in hot water.

          SMR or State Guards... don't.

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          • #35
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            Shtf equals doodoo hits the fan

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            • #36
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              Crapola Hits The Fan would be the G-rated version Zero.
              No the California State Reserves weren't called to Ground Zero...but the NY State Guard was. We've only done the little stuff while waiting for the "Big One" or one of the many failed terrorist attacks that were focused on CA. I wasn't ware that training the Nation Guard, putting out devastating fires, doing disaster prep with FEMA or working with Marines to feed the homeless a less than honorable pursuit?

              Here is what we "officially" do for those who don't know:
              http://www.calguard.ca.gov/PA/Pages/...e-militia.aspx

              SMR in the News:
              http://www.calguard.ca.gov/PA/Docume...zlyMay2013.pdf pg 17

              http://www.calguard.ca.gov/PA/Pages/...-the-road.aspx Pg 16 has 3 specific stories
              http://www.calguard.ca.gov/PA/Docume...yMarch2013.pdf Pg 6, 8,
              http://www.calguard.ca.gov/PA/Docume...JanFeb2013.pdf Pg 7, 8, 9, 15, 17 & 22
              http://www.walkingshield.org/press_r...bruary2008.pdf Hey look - those wacky SMR officer candidates on pg 18

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              • #37
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                There is still confusion..... Someone please tell me where I state state troops hold the same mission as federal troops - atleast since 1916 when the largest portion of the militia became federalized as the National Guard of the United States?

                My accession orders contain a statement swearing oath of allegiance to the US Constitution, and following the orders of the President of the United States. My orders also say SMR troops are subject to USMJ regulations. So aside from a paycheck and clear directive to work in interesting sandboxes around the world, there are some low speed, low impact similarities. Even Title 10 of the US Code clearly states that state militia's (yes the CSMR) can be called upon and federalized. If there is confusion (or perhaps a problem with this) I've shared the link to write your congressman / woman / person and voice disapproval: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

                Hopefully some of the information I've shared trying to answer VET1985's original question has had additional educational benefits beyond his initial question.

                PS - The New York State Defense Force did serve immediately after both 9/11 and Hurricane Sandy: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/01/...rricane-sandy/

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                • #38
                  Re: State Military Reserve

                  Originally posted by Jarhead-turned-Mustang View Post
                  There is still confusion..... Someone please tell me where I state state troops hold the same mission as federal troops - atleast since 1916 when the largest portion of the militia became federalized as the National Guard of the United States?

                  My accession orders contain a statement swearing oath of allegiance to the US Constitution, and following the orders of the President of the United States. My orders also say SMR troops are subject to USMJ regulations. So aside from a paycheck and clear directive to work in interesting sandboxes around the world, there are some low speed, low impact similarities. Even Title 10 of the US Code clearly states that state militia's (yes the CSMR) can be called upon and federalized. If there is confusion (or perhaps a problem with this) I've shared the link to write your congressman / woman / person and voice disapproval: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

                  Hopefully some of the information I've shared trying to answer VET1985's original question has had additional educational benefits beyond his initial question.

                  PS - The New York State Defense Force did serve immediately after both 9/11 and Hurricane Sandy: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/01/...rricane-sandy/
                  Well, that's bunk right there. National Guardsmen (who aren't mobilized) are not subject to UCMJ... why would State Militias be? And you can swear an oath all you like. I swore an oath to never mix tequilla, pepper spray and co-eds again.

                  But what happens if a SMR decides to flip the Commander in Chief the bird and never show up for drill? Nothing.

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                  • #39
                    Re: State Military Reserve

                    Bunk? Really?? Sweet Jesus Guys - I don't write the laws: I just recruit to the regulations:
                    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...0&file=450-474

                    I know recruiters can sometimes be viewed as used car salesman, so how about a JAG ruling:
                    http://csmrsoldier.com/2013/01/31/as...cmj/#&panel1-1

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                    • #40
                      Re: State Military Reserve

                      Mods, this is an excellent thread and serves to clear up any confusion for new Guard applicants or even prior service trying to distinguish the differences between the National Guard and the State Militias.

                      Nobody is downplaying the State Militias role but we need to ensure that when a member joins the State Militia, they are not going to be entitled to Tricare or Commissary benefits or if they are an officer in the State Militia expect to receive any custom and courtesies (hence a salute) from any member of the Armed Forces.

                      Now there are military retirees in the State Militias and they have their retiree benefits but that is not the same for prior service members now serving in their State Militia and never completed 20 years of service.

                      The Militia has their own bennies and Jarhead is a recruiter than can answer those questions.
                      Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; September 23rd, 2013, 04:21 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: State Military Reserve

                        State Militias are a good thing for the service they provide.

                        Nuff Said.

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