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    Anyone know much about it? Was AD now a deputy in the jails. A buddy suggested it but not sure. I can go OCS and my question is...if i do will it cross over if i wanted guard? I have a 3 code but conduct full honorable but right now guard wont take me. Would this be a good secondary? They said im in if i want it.

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    Re: State Military Reserve

    Originally posted by Vet1985 View Post
    Anyone know much about it? Was AD now a deputy in the jails. A buddy suggested it but not sure. I can go OCS and my question is...if i do will it cross over if i wanted guard? I have a 3 code but conduct full honorable but right now guard wont take me. Would this be a good secondary? They said im in if i want it.
    The state guard isnt part of the military. Nothing "crosses over", but if you want to serve it sounds like a good second option because it seems to be your only option.

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      Re: State Military Reserve

      The 'state guard' or Volunteer Defense Force (as it's called here in Michigan) is at the direction of the Adjutant General provides personnel support to local and State agencies during declared emergencies. The Volunteer Defense Force is a non-federally recognized component of the authorized military forces of the State of Michigan (or where ever you may live). It is a separate command from the National Guard but is under the direction of The Adjutant General of Michigan (or your state). Unlike the National Guard, the MIVDF is to be used for service exclusively within the State of Michigan. All MIVDF members take an oath of allegiance to the United States of America and the State of Michigan to obey the orders of the Governor of the State of Michigan, and the officers appointed over them.

      As many VDFs, it is PURELY VOLUNTARY + NO PAY for monthly drill/meetings. If called up by the Governor of the state to perform 'official duties', pay would be according to rank the same as in the NG. Commissions ARE feasible, HOWEVER they are not federally recognized so although one may be a Captain in the VDF and treated with the same coutesies when in uniform IN STATE, you leave your state of residence and your rank is not 'recognized'. So basically you are only an officer in the state in which you live.

      A few of their duties can involve...

      Support MI’s Receipt, Store and Stage (RSS) of the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS)
      Support MI with certified Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT)
      Support the MING with county Liaison Officers (LNO)
      Support the MING with Joint Reception, Staging, Onward Movement and Integration (JRSOI) staffing
      Support the MING with Cyber Network Defense staffing
      Support the MING with Retirement Services Specialists

      They wear the Army uniforrm (with a different arm patch), but in accordance with AR 670-1 and perform all the appropariate courtesies depending on rank. Many are retired military or some who are 'anable to enlist' in the ARNG for whatever reason (either medical or physical) but you must still be able to perform your duties, tehre is no PT test and/or stringent physical standards.

      If previously in the service you may be able to retain the last rank that you held, however, if comissioned, it would not 'transfer' to the ARNG going the other way.

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        Re: State Military Reserve

        So being promoted to sergeant doesnt mean crapoloa in the Smr ? LOL? I am basically in again if I want it and being told I just need a leadership training course and i will be promoted to sgt.

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        • #5
          Re: State Military Reserve

          Originally posted by Vet1985 View Post
          So being promoted to sergeant doesnt mean crapoloa in the Smr ? LOL? I am basically in again if I want it and being told I just need a leadership training course and i will be promoted to sgt.
          I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything, but it isn't even close to the same realm of a SGT in the ARNG.

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            Re: State Military Reserve

            About the same as being a sgt in my current job lol

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            • #7
              Re: State Military Reserve

              Vet1985 - if you were prior service, you'd bring your last held federal rank over with you, minus any Time In Grade (since I think it's been a few decades).

              Reality Check needs a reality check, as the California State Military Reserves is indeed part of California's Military Department, responsible to the SMR's BG, the NG's TAG and the Governor. Our Title 32 rank is equal to any California National Guard soldier or airmen in the state while on SAD per CA M&VC 550. Our soldiers take many of the same courses as the CANG, and our staff is regularly the training cadre for CANG soldiers being deployed to some nice sandbox somewhere. Depending on your prior branch of service, your awards and ribbons will transfer over intact, as would your time in service.

              I'm a recruiter with the CSMR in Southern California and can both answer question and dispel myths about the CSMR. Fire away with questions!

              http://www.calguard.ca.gov/CSMR/Page...-the-CSMR.aspx

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              • #8
                Re: State Military Reserve

                Originally posted by realitycheck View Post
                I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything, but it isn't even close to the same realm of a SGT in the ARNG.
                Exactly and there are no pay or retirement entitlements. I knew a female that could not get into the Guard (she was super weird) then one day she throws a LT ID card at me. Looked similar to the old pink reserve/national guard ID cards. It was the State Militia. Many wear E-3 ranks and in their late 50s.

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                  Re: State Military Reserve

                  Pay is only authorized in very limited cases where the State has a need for an FTE for X-XX duration. Otherwise it's only when the four seasons hit (fires, floods, riot or earthquakes). There is a small retirement stipend after 10 years, but I don't believe it's been funded. We also have access to the CANG's education assistance program after 2 years of service. I recieved $12k for Stanford, but got orders to OCS a few weeks prior (guess which one won out??). Starting this year, our OCS & WOC soldiers graduate alongside the CANG's news officers every August (MG Baldwin had something to do with that). The TAG is a huge supporter of the SMR's role and freeing up NG troops for other missions.

                  As with any "job" you get out what you put in, and for my 3 years in the SMR, there hasn't been a bad day yet. Perhaps when the Chinese show up at the border, but then I can put some rusty 0311 skills to work....

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                    Re: State Military Reserve

                    Originally posted by Jarhead-turned-Mustang View Post
                    Vet1985 - if you were prior service, you'd bring your last held federal rank over with you, minus any Time In Grade (since I think it's been a few decades).

                    Reality Check needs a reality check, as the California State Military Reserves is indeed part of California's Military Department, responsible to the SMR's BG, the NG's TAG and the Governor. Our Title 32 rank is equal to any California National Guard soldier or airmen in the state while on SAD per CA M&VC 550. Our soldiers take many of the same courses as the CANG, and our staff is regularly the training cadre for CANG soldiers being deployed to some nice sandbox somewhere. Depending on your prior branch of service, your awards and ribbons will transfer over intact, as would your time in service.

                    I'm a recruiter with the CSMR in Southern California and can both answer question and dispel myths about the CSMR. Fire away with questions!

                    http://www.calguard.ca.gov/CSMR/Page...-the-CSMR.aspx
                    Thats awesome. And I won't contest your California Knowledge, but each state is very different. And no matter what you say, it is not the same as being a member of the ARNG. A state militia may be a member of the...well, states militia and may report to the Adjudant General. But they ARE NOT part of the Armed Forces.

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                    • #11
                      Re: State Military Reserve

                      Originally posted by Jarhead-turned-Mustang View Post
                      Pay is only authorized in very limited cases where the State has a need for an FTE for X-XX duration. Otherwise it's only when the four seasons hit (fires, floods, riot or earthquakes). There is a small retirement stipend after 10 years, but I don't believe it's been funded. We also have access to the CANG's education assistance program after 2 years of service. I recieved $12k for Stanford, but got orders to OCS a few weeks prior (guess which one won out??). Starting this year, our OCS & WOC soldiers graduate alongside the CANG's news officers every August (MG Baldwin had something to do with that). The TAG is a huge supporter of the SMR's role and freeing up NG troops for other missions.

                      As with any "job" you get out what you put in, and for my 3 years in the SMR, there hasn't been a bad day yet. Perhaps when the Chinese show up at the border, but then I can put some rusty 0311 skills to work....
                      Thats awesome. While I won't contest your California knowledge, every state is VERY different. And no matter how you want to put it...Militia may report to the TAG, and be covered under the State's Military Department.....but they ARE NOT part of the Armed Forces. Period.

                      Try telling a ARNG recruiter you want to enlist as a E-5 because you are a SGT in the militia.....isn't happening.

                      The Guard is still a reserve of the Army. The militia is not.
                      Last edited by realitycheck; September 20th, 2013, 08:20 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: State Military Reserve

                        No argument there - I don't recall saying that the Guard or federal branches had to accept the rank of a non-prior SMR / SDF soldier on face value for recruiting purposes. Not that TAG can't make that happen (in extremely limited instances). Only that when we serve alongside our CANG counterparts, there is some respect for the SMR rank after we educate them about our mission of 50% help to the Guard and 50% to local civilian agencies for disasters. Half of the 1,300 CSMR soldiers are prior service, so we have a solid grounding to help bring our non-priors up to speed.

                        As for the Militia being "Army", I've heard many good arguments about Title 10 worst case scenario versus strict Title 32 interpretation. I would wager heavily that if SHTF, there would be some crossover between these organizations.

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                        • #13
                          Re: State Military Reserve

                          Originally posted by Jarhead-turned-Mustang View Post
                          No argument there - I don't recall saying that the Guard or federal branches had to accept the rank of a non-prior SMR / SDF soldier on face value for recruiting purposes. Not that TAG can't make that happen (in extremely limited instances). Only that when we serve alongside our CANG counterparts, there is some respect for the SMR rank after we educate them about our mission of 50% help to the Guard and 50% to local civilian agencies for disasters. Half of the 1,300 CSMR soldiers are prior service, so we have a solid grounding to help bring our non-priors up to speed.

                          As for the Militia being "Army", I've heard many good arguments about Title 10 worst case scenario versus strict Title 32 interpretation. I would wager heavily that if SHTF, there would be some crossover between these organizations.
                          Well its also possible to recruit a bunch of oil drillers, make them astronauts and send them to space to save the world...but its not going to happen. The militia is not bound to the orders and laws that Title 10 troops are, and/or that ARNG can be.

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                            Re: State Military Reserve

                            Originally posted by realitycheck View Post
                            Well its also possible to recruit a bunch of oil drillers, make them astronauts and send them to space to save the world...but its not going to happen. The militia is not bound to the orders and laws that Title 10 troops are, and/or that ARNG can be.
                            Armageddon is not a true story?

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg_jH47u480

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                              Re: State Military Reserve

                              LOL ....Space Cowboys! They did put a SMR LTC into a mission critical NG role. SMR soldiers man the emergency desk at HQ in SAC. It happens.... but like I said - it's not common or otherwise prevalent.

                              http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311 Note the verbiage usage. Not saying it happens often, the last time was during a particular Civil War.....I'll leave it to your imagination to step through that language, prior events, legislative acts like the Dick Act, and today's context. Truce...?

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