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  • Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

    Greeting all,

    I'm new here (first post) so try to not bash me if I botch this up pretty bad.

    For starters I'm currently a 68W applicant to a NG medic unit in Kingsport, TN. Anyways, I'm also an enlisting under an OCS guarantee option since in August I'll be graduating with my B.S. in Health Sciences conc. Human Health (after 6.5 years of active duty USN I did what they beat into me and got an education after my discharge). Before continuing, because I saw it in another thread as I searched for other posts which might be relevant to my request I'll say that my AFQT was a 98 (the other posts replies asked about that first).

    My plans, or at least the way I've hoped things would work out is as follows, please check over them and advise me of what to do or if the plans are fine as is.

    I plan (i.e. hope) to go to 68W in the fall (first question: what's that gonna be like for a returning former military guy? oh, I was USAR prior to USN so I've already done boot at Knox before it went co-ed).

    Upon return I plan (again, hope) to complete an MPH degree in Epidemiology (prepping for applications period now to begin either Spring 14' or Fall 14'). However, as I have a family I haven't the luxury of not working while I attend school so I was hoping to work as an EMT during the 2 year interim it'll take to graduate from that school.

    Upon completion of that degree I'd like to apply to the IPAP school.

    Kind of a 4 year plan I know but so was my undergrad and well its finished now so now I'm sitting here thinking.... what now. Sadly, without more education my undergrad won't do anything for me as it comes without certifications, licensees, nor any registrations making more school my only option (its pushed as an advanced pre-professional undergraduate degree at my institution).

    Anyways, what's wrong with this plan and what can I be doing to fix it so I get to do all listed above.

    Kind candidness is appreciated to help me fix my soup sandwich enlistment/commissioning situation.

    Edit:

    Also, how easy is it to get an EMT job as a just graduated 68W EMT-B? Has anyone else had difficulty with finding civilian employment after only 68W AIT graduation (no former AD medic experience)?
    Last edited by etsu81; June 3rd, 2013, 09:49 PM. Reason: More info...

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    Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

    Originally posted by etsu81 View Post
    Greeting all,

    I'm new here (first post) so try to not bash me if I botch this up pretty bad.

    For starters I'm currently a 68W applicant to a NG medic unit in Kingsport, TN. Anyways, I'm also an enlisting under an OCS guarantee option since in August I'll be graduating with my B.S. in Health Sciences conc. Human Health (after 6.5 years of active duty USN I did what they beat into me and got an education after my discharge). Before continuing, because I saw it in another thread as I searched for other posts which might be relevant to my request I'll say that my AFQT was a 98 (the other posts replies asked about that first).

    My plans, or at least the way I've hoped things would work out is as follows, please check over them and advise me of what to do or if the plans are fine as is.

    I plan (i.e. hope) to go to 68W in the fall (first question: what's that gonna be like for a returning former military guy? oh, I was USAR prior to USN so I've already done boot at Knox before it went co-ed).

    Upon return I plan (again, hope) to complete an MPH degree in Epidemiology (prepping for applications period now to begin either Spring 14' or Fall 14'). However, as I have a family I haven't the luxury of not working while I attend school so I was hoping to work as an EMT during the 2 year interim it'll take to graduate from that school.

    Upon completion of that degree I'd like to apply to the IPAP school.

    Kind of a 4 year plan I know but so was my undergrad and well its finished now so now I'm sitting here thinking.... what now. Sadly, without more education my undergrad won't do anything for me as it comes without certifications, licensees, nor any registrations making more school my only option (its pushed as an advanced pre-professional undergraduate degree at my institution).

    Anyways, what's wrong with this plan and what can I be doing to fix it so I get to do all listed above.

    Kind candidness is appreciated to help me fix my soup sandwich enlistment/commissioning situation.

    Edit:

    Also, how easy is it to get an EMT job as a just graduated 68W EMT-B? Has anyone else had difficulty with finding civilian employment after only 68W AIT graduation (no former AD medic experience)?
    You need to honor your contract. Everybody has grand dreams but reality is where you are.

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    • #3
      Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

      That's the thing I'm not under contract yet so I can still make choices or changes. They're finishing my SLRP package at the moment to repay 50k student loans back (giving me 50k reasons to join =D). Once complete everything else is in order and I should be able to immediately enlist, go to AIT and then begin OCS after AIT completion.

      I suppose I was hoping for more info on whether or not 68W is the right job or not. I mean, if you cant do anything with it after AIT (which is pretty much all the training I'll be getting) then I've no interest in joining as a 68W. Whatever I do it needs to benefit in the civilian world since any NG member is a civilian 28 days out of ever 30 day month (basically all the time). I was hoping to work as an EMT while I attend Epidemiology school so that by the time I graduate I'll have the 2 years of civilian work experience that the IPAP school lists as 'preferred' experience although I'll meet the minimum prereq's as soon as I graduate from undergrad (the experience and a masters education is overkill for their requirements which is why I want both before I apply).

      I just wanted to know:

      - How are returnees treated in 68W school (or any AIT for that matter).... gentleman's course?
      - Can a just graduated 68W find work pretty easy in the civilian world?
      - And considering my background military and education, what effects will that have on everything else?
      Last edited by etsu81; June 4th, 2013, 01:20 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

        1. Like GODS
        2. Yep
        3. Rank talks everything else......well I think with your education you can fill out the rest.

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        • #5
          Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

          LoL

          ... so the above is all kosher then?

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          • #6
            Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

            I should also ask... what kind of shape does a fella need to be in to get thru PS 68W AIT?

            I'm a little concerned because I was told that even though I haven't been in any branch of service for 5 years, and even though I completed army boot in 99' I will not be returning to boot or even a refresher course (true?). Anyways, this leaves me in a position where I've been mostly sedentary during my entire student undergraduate effort and while I'm not overweight I'm not in shape the way I was when I left boot (whereas nearly everyone else there will be I presume). Which brings me back to the question above, what kindof shape does a person need to be in to make it successfully through AIT. I feel like I'lll be a civilian in combat clothes, lol. Haven't touches a 16 in years but I do own a Glock (not a service issue beretta I know). Asides from that I actually pretty nervous about the whole ordeal. I dont want to look bad because I'm not performing like I would if I'd just completed misery, agony, and heartbreak. I know a lot about the body and human health but havent been very devoted to working out as a single parent, father, and full-time student while also holding down full-time employment. I suppose my excuse for some time has been "ain't nobody got time for dat" however I have started back to running, but only just started.
            Last edited by etsu81; June 4th, 2013, 03:14 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

              I'm finishing up TN Traditional OCS right now. I see your biggest hurdle, or at least non-compability with your plans, being OCS. You want to do something in the Medical Field as an Officer I would take it? OCS is not going to get you there. OCS produces officers for the basic branches and not for any of the medical service fields.

              There are special recruiters and programs for Medical, and those hinge on your degree(s) and level of experience in your medical career field.

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              • #8
                Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

                I should note though that should you decide to do OCS and you are OK with NOT being in a Medical branch, you can begin OCS with 60 credit hours and commission once you have 90 credit hours. You cannot promote beyond 1LT without your Bachelors though. IMHO if you have enough credits to start OCS now and that is your ultimate end goal, you shouldn't waste time with doing the 68W AIT and just do the straight 09S OCS Enlistment Option. There are plenty that can attest that prior enlisted experience or NCO experience does not necessarily relate to what the O-grade world does.

                As a prior-service not having to return to BCT you'll come into the pipeline, might go to a line unit for a short while, and then get prepared for OCS next year. In TN you would start the Officer Candidate Orientation Program (OCOP) in December. It's too late to make this year's Class 57 starting up though, they are shipping to Phase I this week.

                However if you don't have enough credits (or won't by say March/April of next year), then by all means go to AIT and then try to apply for OCS later. I'll be around on this board even after commissioning should you or anyone else have questions about the TN OCS program.
                Last edited by eqmcclure; June 4th, 2013, 10:38 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

                  If working and money is going to be an issue for you as a student AND you are wanting to become an officer, you may want to take a look into the ROTC path. Couple of reasons -

                  A) If you SMP as a cadet, your drill pay is E-5 and you are non-deployable
                  B) You get a monthly cadet stipend (MSIII is 350ish) which will help with $$$
                  C) You can compete with A/D or NG/USAR for a Medical Officer slot, which you won't get through OCS.
                  D) Same education benefits while you are in school, plus a few school specifics you won't get otherwise.

                  Need more info, PM me.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Enlistment/Commisioning Plan Help

                    Thank you for your help. I've decided to hold off on doing anything until I'm attending masters school. At that point I should have considerably more leverage in personal choice. I should hopefully at least be able to secure a medical branch guarantee as I've no interest in being a nationally registered certified epidemiologist specialist wasting my time as a chemical officer due to lack of other field availabilities. Besides, the recruiter failed to mention any of the above even as an option available to me making me now think he was being intentionally short with me in order attain quota as quickly as possible, angering me a bit. I'd actually been told that after OCS I could be slotted for medical on account of my graduation completely failing to mention that I should've been speaking to an AMEDD really making that last bit the icing on the cake for me. Sigh... and just when I thought I might get help with my college debt... it all just looked good... o.O ...too good lol I knew something was def up.
                    Last edited by etsu81; June 24th, 2013, 01:48 AM.

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