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  • Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

    Hello all.

    Just finished talking to 2 recruiters here in Wyoming, both prior Marines, both prior infantry like myself, and had a quick question for any other jarheads that recently moved over from USMC AD.

    Is the difference between Marine AD and NG a hard adjustment? I come from a unit (1/7) with heavy man rules. No talking back, orders taken directly with no back talk, etc. Honestly, when I picked up E4 I was fully expected to punch someone in the face (unofficially) that gave lip to an order. I did AFROTC for 2 years and the amount of laziness and general lack of military bearing and discipline disgusted me way too much.

    I'm going to go Combat Medic and hopefully start volunteering for anything and everything I can; deployments, training, TDY, you name I want to be there in it. Will I really get these chances if I'm motivated or is the recruiter blowing me smoke to get me to sign papers?

    Thanks for any input.

  • #2
    Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

    Really the hard part for everyone involved is, the NG, USAR and Active Duty are not the Marines. Nor do we care how the Marines do stuff, or how hard the Marine are ect ect. Seriously, Marines have the hardest adjustment when coming to the Army.

    You won't get anything until you're MOS qualified. After that it'll really depend on your unit and what's available. You really need to ask you recruiters if your unit can even get you into the medic AIT easily.

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    • #3
      Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

      Captain is correct. You do not know how many times I have heard - "Well sarge, this is not the Marine Corps".

      When I was a MP SSG squad leader, my platoon sergeant told me the same thing. You need to get away from the ooh-rah stuff and raising your eyebrows whenever you see something that will not obviously pass in the Corps. Let it be. Now as a Warrant Officer, I let NCOs handle that headache even though they slack at times too.

      I highly doubt you will be able to volunteer galore in the Guard so there might be some smoke in that.

      Good luck.

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      • #4
        Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

        Thank you both for the responses. I'm not trying to bring the Corps to the NG, nor do I expect to be a game changer in my unit, more or less just curious if the horror stories my buddies have told me after they crossed over have any truth!

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        • #5
          Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

          The horror stories are probably becuase they aren't wanting to make the change.

          If you go into the NG with an open mind and set aside the Marine mentality, you'll be fine. The NG is no better/worse then the Marines, just different. As long you keep that in mind you'll be ok. Oh and don't go on about having been an NCO. You'll be a SPC. Even if you were made a corporal, you're really just a SPC.

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          • #6
            Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

            Originally posted by RedLeg View Post
            Even if you were made a corporal, you're really just a SPC.
            A CPL is not "just" a SPC. A CPL is a NCO and is to be afforded all of the courtesies and respect due to an NCO.

            No one in my unit or any unit I've ever been with, especially combat arms, would agree with that statement.
            Last edited by TxIntel 1978; May 22nd, 2013, 12:06 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

              Also, from my broad experience, I will label the Corps as better than worse or different. And that is based on dozens of reasons. What the Corps is difficult in is promotion and longevity.

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              • #8
                Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                Originally posted by USMCLong View Post
                Hello all.

                Just finished talking to 2 recruiters here in Wyoming, both prior Marines, both prior infantry like myself, and had a quick question for any other jarheads that recently moved over from USMC AD.

                Is the difference between Marine AD and NG a hard adjustment? I come from a unit (1/7) with heavy man rules. No talking back, orders taken directly with no back talk, etc. Honestly, when I picked up E4 I was fully expected to punch someone in the face (unofficially) that gave lip to an order. I did AFROTC for 2 years and the amount of laziness and general lack of military bearing and discipline disgusted me way too much.

                I'm going to go Combat Medic and hopefully start volunteering for anything and everything I can; deployments, training, TDY, you name I want to be there in it. Will I really get these chances if I'm motivated or is the recruiter blowing me smoke to get me to sign papers?

                Thanks for any input.
                Range Cadre at Ft. Benning adore prior service Marines.

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                • #9
                  Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                  Originally posted by TxIntel 1978 View Post
                  No one in my unit or any unit I've ever been with, especially combat arms, would agree with that statement.
                  It's an MP thing. Don't fight it.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                    Originally posted by RedLeg View Post
                    The horror stories are probably becuase they aren't wanting to make the change.

                    If you go into the NG with an open mind and set aside the Marine mentality, you'll be fine. The NG is no better/worse then the Marines, just different. As long you keep that in mind you'll be ok. Oh and don't go on about having been an NCO. You'll be a SPC. Even if you were made a corporal, you're really just a SPC.
                    Originally posted by TxIntel 1978 View Post
                    A CPL is not "just" a SPC. A CPL is a NCO and is to be afforded all of the courtesies and respect due to an NCO.

                    No one in my unit or any unit I've ever been with, especially combat arms, would agree with that statement.


                    Yeah yeah, they're suppose to be. Maybe in Big Army they are. But the rank is a joke in all Army branches and shouldn't even exist anymore period.

                    I know it isn't quite the same, but imagine commanding a company (long term) while you still have your butter bar. Paid less for increased responsibility, often long term and people both above and below you take you less seriously.
                    Last edited by SteveLord; May 22nd, 2013, 01:20 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                      No doubt the whole responsibility/pay thing is a mess for the poor CPL, but the fact is they're still an NCO. Maybe we're the exception, but I wouldn't tolerate a JR enlisted talking back to a CPL or disrespecting them.

                      Commanding as a 2LT isn't as far fetched as you make it. We routinely have O-2s filling CO spots permanently and an O-1 stepping in fairly often when the BN goat-rope calls away the CO/1SG. I have had far more command time in the NG than any of my O-1 peers who are stuck doing A/S-2 BS duties on AD.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                        Originally posted by TxIntel 1978 View Post
                        A CPL is not "just" a SPC. A CPL is a NCO and is to be afforded all of the courtesies and respect due to an NCO.

                        No one in my unit or any unit I've ever been with, especially combat arms, would agree with that statement.
                        I've been in combat arms units and I make that statement. The rank is a joke and should be done away with.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                          Originally posted by Chief Kemosabe View Post
                          Also, from my broad experience, I will label the Corps as better than worse or different. And that is based on dozens of reasons. What the Corps is difficult in is promotion and longevity.
                          OP, if you buy this garbage then don't join since you'll be misrable, you'll make everyone around you misrable.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                            I remember someone suggesting in the Army ranks to make Specialist as a Corporal First class. Two stripes up and one rocker. Would have been interesting. CPL Upham in Saving Private Ryan was the specialist equivalent that wore Corporal stripes with the T (technician) in it.

                            Interesting article.

                            http://ncohistory.com/files/shsr.pdf

                            And why my opinion that is felt amongst former Marines (across the board) that are in other branches considered garbage? I had/have always thought that way and only have experienced success in the Guard/Army.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Questions about Marine mentality to National Guard.

                              Originally posted by RedLeg View Post
                              I've been in combat arms units and I make that statement. The rank is a joke and should be done away with.
                              But we should buy this garbage???? lol

                              I get the sense that everyone was jumping for joy during the CoC.

                              Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; May 22nd, 2013, 09:55 PM.

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