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    I'll try to make this question as short as possible. I commissioned as an Infantry Officer last August. In January 2014 (next month) I am suppose to be going to iBOLC to finish my initial officer training and return back to my Guard Unit. After a roller coaster year in between ROTC graduation and now, I have done a lot of thinking. I have been in a PL position already with my unit because BOLC was a year out at the time. I've served 4 years so far in the Guard starting at E-3, then cadet, and now O-1. Now my question is, can I resign my commission and return back to enlisted which would be E-3. I only had to do 2 years in ROTC but I didn't get a scholarship and only the stipend my senior year so $450/mo for 2 semesters. I would have 2 years left on my initial contract but I joined ROTC as an SMP cadet so I was paid as an E-5 for drill during ROTC too. The ultimate question is, can I go back to E-3 and be a grunt again or do I have to be miserable for the next 6 years of my life. I have nothing against Officers at all. It takes special people to do what they do but I enjoy being more in the fight and not doing OPORDs all the time. I have thought about this for a year now so I have fully made my mind up that in my life being enlisted would be a way better fit for me. I want a civilian career and with already seeing the officer PL side, I have realized most of those officers are AGR anyway so they use some of that time to plan for drill. That doesn't work with me trying to build a business as a PL at the same time. I would rather just be enlisted and finish my initial contract. Is this possible? If so, what would be my course of action, and what would be my penalties? Remember, No ROTC scholarship just 8 months of ROTC stipend and a little extra drill pay for being an SMP cadet drilling. Would I just go back to my initial unit or MOS? Would I have to do back pay? More time added to my initial contract? Which I am okay with. I just need to free up more time to actually live. Any direction or help would be greatly appreciated. This is very time sensitive because BOLC is next month and I have drill this weekend. Thanks in advance!

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    I believe this is another difference between CO and Warrant. A Technical Warrant (as a WO1) would never want to regress to an enlisted grade after becoming a Warrant (only if not reaching retirement is an issue and I have not witnessed that). It has happened at WOCS and it is mostly due to pride issues from being subjected to treatment that they feel is beneath them after many years of service as an NCO/Combat vet or because they were selected at the promotion board while at WOCS and then had a sudden change of heart.

    LT, why would you go through all that training to become someone who is now leading Soldiers to being led again? Because of that op order reason? I think you need to sit down with your Commander and have a heart to heart because what you are suggesting may procure long lasting regrets. All that time, money, training and effort wasted; for what?
    Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; December 3rd, 2013, 04:26 PM.

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    • #3
      Yes, what you have described is possible. You may resign your commission, and enlist at grade E5. Speak with the recruiter in your armory, and get his NCOIC involved. It's not a common procedure, but it's clearly described in the ECM.

      Whether it's a good idea is yours to decide, althought it seems you've thought it through. I've seen many good NCOs ruined by a gold bar. Neither the officer nor the enlisted side is better than the other, they are both necessary, and each has advantages and disadvantages. I respect the fact that you're realistic, and motivated to serve in a place where you have the most to offer.

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      • #4
        Thanks for all of these answers. Yes, I have thought it through. The only training I have done is 2 years ROTC and the summer LDAC during that time. Since I have not gone to BOLC a year out from commissing I have really thought it through. I know the end result and it's just more time to give without focusing on a civilian career. I already have a business started online and I plan on starting one offline within the next 5 years. Every LT in the Guard that i have come in contact with are either AGR or are planning on putting in their active duty packet. I've seen how much time I have to dedicate the other 28 days of the month in being a PL and I don't have that much time. I don't want AGR or Active Duty. I just want more time and focus for my civilian career because I will be leaving the military as soon as my contract is up. I would stay if this would be a retirement issue but this is simply a one contract process and I would actually be making more with my business as a specialist or enlisted because that frees my time away from drill to focus on business. My business will be there in 5 years and the military won't is my thought process. Thank you for your responses though.

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        • #5
          I would suggest giving up your commission as your last resort. Mainly because you've put so much into it and you may regret this latter.

          A few other COA's:
          • Ask your CO/BC about transferring to a BN staff slot. Usually the work load is fairly light even for most of the primary staff when compared to PL/commander slots
          • Finish BOLC and look at going into the IRR. You would still continue being an officer and buy you almost a decade before having to worry about your next OES.
          • Finish BOLC and look at IMA positions. These slots have the ability to allow you to do all of your drill/AT time at once.
          Even if you back to being enlisted, you're still going to have stuff to do between drills. With SSD, ect, the time of one weekend a month/two weeks a year is really gone.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jbennett View Post
            Thanks for all of these answers. Yes, I have thought it through. The only training I have done is 2 years ROTC and the summer LDAC during that time. Since I have not gone to BOLC a year out from commissing I have really thought it through. I know the end result and it's just more time to give without focusing on a civilian career. I already have a business started online and I plan on starting one offline within the next 5 years. Every LT in the Guard that i have come in contact with are either AGR or are planning on putting in their active duty packet. I've seen how much time I have to dedicate the other 28 days of the month in being a PL and I don't have that much time. I don't want AGR or Active Duty. I just want more time and focus for my civilian career because I will be leaving the military as soon as my contract is up. I would stay if this would be a retirement issue but this is simply a one contract process and I would actually be making more with my business as a specialist or enlisted because that frees my time away from drill to focus on business. My business will be there in 5 years and the military won't is my thought process. Thank you for your responses though.
            Are you sure? I'm not under the impression that AD is accepting transfers for junior officers in basic branches for the most part...

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            • #7
              Polo, I'm not completely sure right now about them going active duty but they either plan on it if it does open up or they plan on AGR. My heart is not in the Officer Corp. I know that sounds crazy but it's not the SSD and in between drill stuff that worries me. It's the planning, calling, politics, etc... I don't have time to do all of that and run my business. I would just rather be a grunt until my time is up. I appreciate all the advice and I can see where everyone is coming from but when I don't want to do something 100% I don't give 100% and the Officer Corp deserves that and so do the troops. Being Enlisted I won't mind going to drill and training. You know actually shooting etc... I have already been in the PL position long enough to know what it's like and that was on a mild temporary situation. I will make more in the end and have more time with my family if I am Enlisted over Officer. That's just the truth and I'm a God, Family, Country kind of guy. I am talking to my BN CO this weekend so wish me luck. haha! My real question is, if they will penalize me in anyway? Money? Time in service? I wouldn't think since it was only (2) years ROTC, no scholarship, and I paid my own way through college.

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