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    Please forgive my ignorance in advance.

    I am 28/F and am interested in joining the Guard as an Officer. I originally thought I wanted to do Navy Reserve but the recruiter I spoke with said that I would not qualify for the job I wanted because my degree was not in Engineering. According to others I have spoke with the Guard is a better deal because they have more funding and are not deployed as often. I am still going to meet with the Navy Reserve recruiter to see if their benefits are on-par with the Guard.

    Secondly, I am not sure if I want to do Army or Air Guard. My impression is that there are pros and cons for either one.

    Army NG will let me do the traditional OCS where I go one weekend a month for 18 months. The recruiter told me that OCS is typically 14 weeks, and I would have to go there directly after Basic. This would be an issue for my job, to be gone 6 months straight.

    I have been told the Air NG is deployed for a less amount of time and generally their standards are higher. I am not sure if these comments apply to officers though. I have also heard that it's much harder to get into an Officer position in the Air NG here because there is a huge waiting list. The Army Guard recruiter made it sound like I would be sent to Basic, and I could do my Traditional OCS and once I completed it I would be given my officer rank and assigned a job. She made it sound very easy, and I am skeptical about that.

    I was also told that I really don't get to choose my job. I have a background in electronics and English. At my current job I am a documentation specialist. I made a decent salary and my reasons for going into the guard are more for personal fulfillment. (Honestly my job is BORING.) Do they consider my background before they place me into a job?

    I am also interested in becoming an officer for the management training I would receive. I think it would be a great benefit to my civilian job for me to have experience managing people.

    Some more material incentives for me are the student loan repayment- how long of a commitment do you need to qualify for that? If you have less than the ($50k?) can you use this program twice if you decide to go back to school. E.x.: I have a bachelors and I have 20k left to pay, can I use this program to pay for the 20k; then if I decide to go for a Master's can I use the remaining funds to pay for those loans after I graduate?

    I appreciate any responses that would help answer my questions and educate me about the guard. I would particularly like to hear from any women who joined the guard intending to become officers and what your experience was like.
    Last edited by HillaryFay; July 25th, 2013, 11:53 AM.

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    Re: Guard Newbie Questions

    OP, *all* of your questions have been answered (some quite recently) in other posts.

    In order to prevent the coming "Why didn't you use 'Search'" storm that is about to hit you, I suggest you look up: SLRP, 09S, OCS, OML, Traditional OCS, Branching....

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    • #3
      Re: Guard Newbie Questions

      Perhaps a moderator should close this thread as well since I do not know why my Army OCS age raise thread was.

      So a word of advice since I was a moderator here and mod on other forums and lists; primarily BLANK in which we field all Army, Army Reserve and Army National Guard questions (Anyone and everyone is welcome). We do not close threads for boredom sake and we enjoy all free exchanges of responses.

      FYI, just because an article does not explicitly mention the Guard, we are all one Army and perhaps a person will like to comment on the information that is posted. We have given OPs suggestions to look at the Army Reserves (fielded those questions) and on the Regular Army (fielded those questions as well).

      So remember.

      1. You do not get paid to mod this forum so you can relax.

      2. Moderating will not get you a promotion or an AAM/ARCOM or any other kudos with your current employer.

      3. Just like Armytimes and other Army forums; they are not affiliated with the Army/Guard so people should expect that the information is voluntary and not subject to current fact.

      Just relax and do not get to anal when given a little power. You will age much slower.

      PD for the day.
      Last edited by Mr_Loki; July 25th, 2013, 07:49 PM. Reason: No advertising on the forums.

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      • #4
        Re: Guard Newbie Questions

        Was this posted in the wrong thread Chief??

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        • #5
          Re: Guard Newbie Questions

          Originally posted by HillaryFay View Post
          This would be an issue for my job, to be gone 6 months straight.
          You realize that you're talking about becoming a soldier, right? Okay, good.

          With that out of the way, do you understand that soldiers sometimes go to war, and that when they go to war it's typically for a lot longer than six months?

          Make sure you understand, first of all, what you are considering volunteering for. The "one weekend a month" thing is nonsense, especially for officers.

          With that out of the way, your post is poorly organized because your questions are interleaved with various "streams of consciousness" which aren't wholly relevant. List your inquiries as specific, discrete questions and it will make it much easier to give you some answers (some of which may be simply "call a recruiter").

          Good luck.

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          • #6
            Re: Guard Newbie Questions

            I don't think the Chief posted in the wrong thread.

            The intention of my post was to explain my current situation, explain my personal reasons for wanting the join the Guard, and ask for answers to specific questions that I had. I thought that I achieved all of those things in my post. I have already talked to a recruiter but I have also read threads on here where people seem to think that information was withheld from them by their recruiter. With that in mind, I came here for alternative perspectives on the information I currently have on hand.

            I am actually thankful for the suggestions on what to search for, I don't speak military acronym, therefore, how would I know exactly what to look for?

            Would my job allow me to leave for 6 months for training? Yes. Would they like it? No. Is being gone that long beneficial at all for me in my civilian profession? No. So since I am given a choice, rather than an order, on how I would like to receive training I would choose what balances both civilian and guard duties for me. A deployment is not normally a choice so I think it is fair to assume that it would be accepted for what it is.

            So perhaps to make it easier for people to answer I can summarize:

            If I enlist in the guard, am I guaranteed a position as an officer when I graduate from OCS?
            Once I graduate OCS do I get any say in what my job will be?
            What are the main differences between the army guard and the air guard?
            Are there any unexpected caveats involved in receiving the benefits they use to recruit you?

            I could spend hours trying to search forums for answers, hoping that people used correct tags to categorize their posts and that I understand the terminology enough to even know what to search for. But I thought that the purpose of a forums is to have open and free discussion and that is what I attempted to do here, I assumed that people would be willing to help answer questions and offer advice. You understand that you are a direct reflection of the organization I am asking about? So it is very disheartening to simply disregard my concerns and questions and tell me to go search the forums. Essentially saying - we don't care enough to help answer your questions.

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            • #7
              Re: Guard Newbie Questions

              Originally posted by HillaryFay View Post
              If I enlist in the guard, am I guaranteed a position as an officer when I graduate from OCS?
              Yes.

              Once I graduate OCS do I get any say in what my job will be?
              You have some influence over it. You will submit a wish list for the branches you find most desirable, but it's ultimately up to the "needs of the Army" (in this case, the needs of the state).

              What are the main differences between the army guard and the air guard?
              This is too vague; they are completely different branches of service.

              Are there any unexpected caveats involved in receiving the benefits they use to recruit you?
              If it's in writing, you will get it...eventually. If you could specify exactly which benefits you're interested in, you'll have an easier time getting answers because someone with experience in applying for those specific benefits can provide feedback. Specificity saves lives.

              I could spend hours trying to search forums for answers, hoping that people used correct tags to categorize their posts and that I understand the terminology enough to even know what to search for. But I thought that the purpose of a forums is to have open and free discussion and that is what I attempted to do here, I assumed that people would be willing to help answer questions and offer advice. You understand that you are a direct reflection of the organization I am asking about? So it is very disheartening to simply disregard my concerns and questions and tell me to go search the forums. Essentially saying - we don't care enough to help answer your questions.
              You're lucky I answered your questions above before I read this mopey poppycock; had I not, I wouldn't have bothered. Do you understand that your ability to articulately and succinctly frame inquiries about specific benefits and aspects of serving in the military is a reflection of you and your ability to communicate effectively? Do you further understand my indignation in response to your complaint about a prospective six-month leave of absence from work within the context of most of us having done multiple 12+ month tours in combat over the past decade?

              Let's get this straight. We are in a draw down; the pool of applicants is getting bigger and the number of openings is getting smaller. For a recruit to act as if we need them and should pamper them with information provided on a silver platter is pretty ridiculous.

              Good luck.

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              • #8
                Re: Guard Newbie Questions

                Originally posted by TxIntel 1978 View Post
                Was this posted in the wrong thread Chief??

                My mistake sir.

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                • #9
                  Re: Guard Newbie Questions

                  I don't feel like I am owed anything by anyone on this forum, nor that I am needed. I simply stated that you are a reflection of your organization. Perhaps I have a disillusioned view of what it means to serve your country and be a leader. I apologize if my concerns about leaving my civilian job for 6 months (leaving my team, a group of people that depend on me to accomplish my work so that they can also accomplish theirs) seems trivial to you. It may not be life or death, but people depend on me to help them accomplish their goals. I also didn't see any rules for this forum against posting for discussions sake. If I had known there were specific requirements for how to phrase questions perhaps this thread would have ended on a more positive note.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Guard Newbie Questions

                    No, you are perfectly fine, HillaryFay.

                    Continue on and any turbulence you experience will be dealt with.

                    That being said, the answers you received are answers that you NEEDED to hear. It comes off harsh because it's not the way you'd like to hear or not the answers you want to hear. No one in this thread has broken any rules (to include any unspoken rules).

                    Again, it sucks, but Dirtbag up above is giving you real world answers. If you have any questions or concerns, I am here to facilitate your needs. Please PM me.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Guard Newbie Questions

                      Originally posted by Chief Kemosabe View Post
                      My mistake sir.
                      No worries Chief. I was trying to frame it in context of the thread and I couldn't...!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Guard Newbie Questions

                        OP, there's a very abrasive tone in your posts. I'm sure you don't mean it, but you come across as very self-entitled. Most people of this board have made significant professional and personal sacrifices for the Guard, so we understand your concerns about the conflict with your job. Personally, I've had to turn down several overseas assignments for my civilian job that would have fast-tracked my career progression. This is a sacrifice I accepted before I enlisted. Make sure you're 100% committed to serving (to include deployments) before you choose to join.

                        As to your questions:

                        -I think you're right that you'll gain valuable leadership experience in the Guard, especially if you get a Platoon Leader slot out of OCS. It's pretty tough for a 20-something year old to find a job managing 30+ people like you will as a PL.
                        -There are 3 forms of OCS you can commission from: Federal (12 weeks @ Ft Benning), Accelerated (8 weeks @ a few different locations), and Traditional (1.5 years+ in your state). The availability of and differences between these options have been discussed extensively on this board.
                        -I have no idea what you mean by ANG standards being higher than ARNG. My unit has done a lot of work with the ANG and while the culture is certainly different, I don't think I'm held to a lower standard than them.
                        -Officer branching is different in every state. Where do you live?

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