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  • R&R Policy Change

    Based on the R&R policy change that went into effect, the 15-day leave program is essentially non-existent for Guard units deployed to combat operations, correct?

    My assumption is that with 9 months in country, you're right at, but not over, the 270 day "Boots on Ground" requirement to be eligible.

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    Re: R&R Policy Change

    Originally posted by collk22 View Post
    Based on the R&R policy change that went into effect, the 15-day leave program is essentially non-existent for Guard units deployed to combat operations, correct?

    My assumption is that with 9 months in country, you're right at, but not over, the 270 day "Boots on Ground" requirement to be eligible.
    You can still take leave. The 270 day rule is the difference between chargebale and unchargelble leave.

    Edit: actually, looking at the even newest update it seems you are mis reading altogther. The 270 day boots on ground rule is just a measurement of your order length. You don't have to wait till day 271 to take leave, and if it is from Iraq or Afghanistan, it is unchargeleble.
    Last edited by ParalegalNCO1; July 19th, 2012, 12:56 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: R&R Policy Change

      Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
      You can still take leave. The 270 day rule is the difference between chargebale and unchargelble leave.

      Edit: actually, looking at the even newest update it seems you are mis reading altogther. The 270 day boots on ground rule is just a measurement of your order length. You don't have to wait till day 271 to take leave, and if it is from Iraq or Afghanistan, it is unchargeleble.
      Can you post a link? All I'm seeing is that soldiers deployed under the 9 month BOG policy are NOT eligible for R&R as stated here: http://www.army.mil/article/63073/So...h_deployments/

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      • #4
        Re: R&R Policy Change

        Originally posted by collk22 View Post
        Can you post a link? All I'm seeing is that soldiers deployed under the 9 month BOG policy are NOT eligible for R&R as stated here: http://www.army.mil/article/63073/So...h_deployments/
        Interesting article....look here.

        http://www.armyg1.army.mil/randr/

        Just be advised they don't update the FAQ's as much as they should. The latest published guidance is August 2011. Read the second to the last paragraph.

        Maybe there is more to come if your article is accurate.

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        • #5
          Re: R&R Policy Change

          Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
          Interesting article....look here.

          http://www.armyg1.army.mil/randr/

          Just be advised they don't update the FAQ's as much as they should. The latest published guidance is August 2011. Read the second to the last paragraph.

          Maybe there is more to come if your article is accurate.
          Just saw that as well, thanks for posting. This article talks about no R&R, but increasing MWR funds for building up "Rest in Place" facilities. Feel bad for those boys though, 9 months of Route Clearance without a break is a LONG time. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...ghanistan.html

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          • #6
            Re: R&R Policy Change

            Originally posted by collk22 View Post
            Can you post a link? All I'm seeing is that soldiers deployed under the 9 month BOG policy are NOT eligible for R&R as stated here: http://www.army.mil/article/63073/So...h_deployments/
            Man, it is good seeing ParalegalNCO1 wrong again lol

            I am in Afghanistan on one of the first 270 days (9 months) deployments. My TCS orders explicitly state not to exceed 270 days compared to my last two that were for a year.

            The R&R program has ceased except for those last remaining units that are on 365 days.

            Brigades and below are at 270 days. The division headquarters (brigade and higher) are still at 365 days and still getting R&R. An article recently was on the
            Stars and Stripes that will allow soldiers that are on 9 month deployments to have the 4 day pass to Qatar. But that is not going to be decided until September so I wont be affected by it. I leave early December.

            But recently a CENTCOMM order came down and everyone in theater will now have two consecutive days off due to suicides but you just remain on the FOB and have to be in duty uniform or PTs (wow!!)

            I have just had a soldier in my section finished their's today. I wont start mine until all the enlisted in my section has had theirs.

            http://www.stripes.com/news/military...istan-1.180662 <--read

            Military's new R&R plan doesn’t include leaving Afghanistan

            By MATTHEW M. BURKEStars and Stripes
            Published: June 18, 2012

            View Gallery (3 images)
            Staff Sgt. Damian Remijio calls his girlfriend in Alaska earlier this year from the Morale, Welfare and Recreation room at Combat Outpost Sabari, Khost province. MWR facilities such as these will be used by servicemembers for four days under a new rest and recreation program being rolled out.
            JOSHUA L. DEMOTTS/STARS AND STRIPES


            The U.S. military is rolling out a new rest and recuperation program for troops fighting in Afghanistan. But don’t pack your bags for a nice long break on a sunny beach or a visit home — you won’t be leaving Afghanistan under the “rest-in-place” program.
            R&R sites are being established within brigade or regional areas of operation, with a range of amenities provided by Morale, Welfare and Recreation. A four-day Special Liberty Pass is the ticket in.
            “The decentralized approach at the brigade level was chosen because it provides leadership the flexibility to design R&R programs that fit their requirements, yet takes care of servicemembers’ needs for a break close to their unit area,” U.S. Forces Afghanistan spokesman David Lakin wrote in an email to Stripes from Kabul.
            “Unit leaders strive to give all servicemembers as much downtime as possible no matter where they are located, while providing a safe and secure environment to unwind from a taxing and difficult mission.”
            Some downrange brigade commanders and separate battalions have turned in proposals for the program, site and facilities in their areas, and they then must be certified by the regional commander, Lakin said. Most sites have been identified and some are operational. The rest will be operational “within the next month.”
            The only other formal R&R program is the 15-day Non-Chargeable Rest and Recuperation (NCR&R) leave program. To be eligible, servicemembers must be on a minimum 365-day deployment with at least 270 days physically in country.
            Starting this year, deployments for Army personnel were reduced to nine months so most soldiers are not eligible. Marine infantry battalions are on seven-month deployments.
            The Special Liberty Pass program is for all servicemembers not authorized for NCR&R.
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            Through nearly a decade of war, nearly 200,000 troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan traveled to Qatar for Central Command’s Rest and Recuperation Pass Program, or R2P2. There, they found an oasis of amenities: pool tables, rooms full of big screen televisions, swimming pools, miniature golf, a discothèque, trips to a shopping mall and deep sea fishing.
            The program was hailed early on by military leaders who said it was vital to give troops R&R outside the combat zone.
            “When U.S. forces are in a combat area for an extended period of time, it is extremely important from a leadership perspective to give these young men and women an opportunity to rest, recuperate and reunite with their families, even if for a short time,” said Marine Corps Maj. Pete Mitchell, a CENTCOM spokesman in a 2003 Defense Department news release.
            But as the Iraq war wound down and the challenges of travel or leave limitations prevented troops in Afghanistan from going, the number of R2P2 participants dwindled, and the program was ended in April of last year.
            The facilities are still there, but used by a fraction of those who once did, or about 600-700 people daily of the just over 1,000 who are stationed there, said facility spokesman Antoine Randall. None of the equipment was redistributed.
            “The facility is still here for the community,” Randall said. “Nothing has changed.”
            “Afghanistan is further from Qatar than Iraq and Kuwait,” Lakin said. “Arguably, there are different dynamics that ground commanders in Afghanistan must consider when addressing time away from their areas of operations.”
            The brigade level facilities won’t have the luxuries that troops enjoyed in Qatar, but Lakin said servicemembers will have access to facilities equipped with “standard” MWR packages and recreation kits, including video games, recreational games such as foosball, televisions and exercise equipment. And, MWR is working to install or upgrade internet café systems, Lakin said.
            That’s not much more than even small combat outposts generally have: phones, computers and a room for video games.
            “Each brigade and separate battalion has been allotted funds to improve current facilities and can request additional equipment through their local MWR center,” Lakin said, referring to the planned rest-in-place sites.
            Facilities for each brigade will differ depending on location, operational conditions, and environmental factors, but a minimum quality of life will be established and kept up at each facility, Lakin said.
            A number of factors led to the decision to establish rest-in-place sites, primarily challenges to travel both within and outside the country, as well as shorter deployments, a shrinking number of troops and a high operational tempo, Lakin said. There are other passes and options for commanders to provide rest for those most in need, but he declined to elaborate.
            “With the reduced boot on ground time, commanders must weigh the amount of time a servicemember will be away from his or her unit, the impact on the overall mission, and the welfare of his/her troops,” he said. “The fact that tours are three-months shorter on average is a major consideration when considering the overall time available to achieve strategic, operational, and tactical objectives.”
            Reaction to the new plan from troops in Afghanistan was mixed.
            Stationed at Camp Leatherneck in Helmand province, Lance Cpl. Caio Doinviera, 210 Artillery Battalion out of Camp Lejeune, said more MWR facilities would be welcome. He said it’s hard to call home or Skype when the Marines are pushed out to remote locations.
            “For the guys who spend a lot of time outside the wire, it’s a great opportunity,” he said referring to the brigade level facilities.
            Doinviera is on a seven-month deployment and ineligible for the 15-day NCR&R program. However, he likes it that way just fine because he wants to push through his deployment and get home.
            Less than a month into their nine-month Afghanistan deployment, members of the 510th Clearance Company in Afghanistan’s Farah province said they would not want to be sent back to Kandahar Airfield as a centralized rest location.
            The unit got stuck there while trying to get to Farah, said Sgt. Danny Mata, 25, of Laredo, Texas.
            “You spend two weeks trying to get out here,” he said, standing outside Forward Operating Base Farah’s dining facility. Going through that again for four days off wouldn’t be worth the hassle, he said, but four days off at FOB Farah, if he were left alone, would be all right.
            “It’s not that we don’t appreciate [them] trying to get us four days off,” said Spc. Efrain Fuentes Rivera, 32, another member of the 510th. But the thought of going through the pain of going to and from the terminal to try to catch a flight out of Farah and back, “it’s not worth it,” he said.
            Fuentes Rivera, from Fort Hood, Texas, said he’d prefer to have internet in his room to four days off, regardless of the location.
            The program will be reviewed regularly, Lakin said, starting 90 days after it is implemented, which could be as early as October.
            Stars and Stripes reporters Laura Rauch and Matthew Millham contributed to this report.
            burkem@pstripes.osd.mil
            Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; July 19th, 2012, 02:30 PM.

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              Re: R&R Policy Change

              Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
              Man, it is good seeing ParalegalNCO1 wrong again lol

              I am in Afghanistan on one of the first 270 days (9 months) deployments. My TCS orders explicitly state not to exceed 270 days compared to my last two that were for a year.

              The R&R program has ceased except for those last remaining units that are on 365 days.

              Brigades and below are at 270 days. The division headquarters (brigade and higher) are still at 365 days and still getting R&R.
              I'm not wrong at all, that is exactly what the G1 website states. If you're on 270 day orders then so be it, but there is a difference between 270 days Boots on ground and 270 Mobilization. It clearly states those on a 365/270 BOG get leave.

              Whether or not that is actually happening, or if there is further guidance to follow is a different story.

              If they have cut down the mob time then great, but a 365/270 isn't far different then what many units in the reserves/guard have been doing all along. I spent 3 months at a mob station on my last set of 400 day orders and 9 months in country.

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              • #8
                Re: R&R Policy Change

                I wish instead of a post count it said an accuracy count, because I am by all means the leader in that category. Agree, disagree, love it or hate it. You want me to be wrong because I can answer almost any question asked on this board with incredible accuracy.

                This thread is a mere miscommunication. All three of us are saying the same thing in different words.

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                • #9
                  Re: R&R Policy Change

                  You told him he could still take leave and that is not true. If he is in theater for more than 270 days then he will be able to go on R&R. Mob days have nothing to do with it; it is all based on the amount of time you will be in theater for that type of non-chargeable leave. Besides that; it wont be. And it will be non-chargeable since they started that in 2010 after I took my chargeable leave the last time.

                  For example; if the Army extends us; then it will be a nightmare because now they have to send all the soldiers in my unit on R&R. It is not going to happen.

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                  • #10
                    Re: R&R Policy Change

                    Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
                    I wish instead of a post count it said an accuracy count, because I am by all means the leader in that category. Agree, disagree, love it or hate it. You want me to be wrong because I can answer almost any question asked on this board with incredible accuracy.
                    haha. Don't you wish. And I doubt the accuracy is based on experience. It is probably you have nothing going on in your life and you just love downloading and reading regs all day lol.

                    Just teasing you bro.

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                    • #11
                      Re: R&R Policy Change

                      Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                      You told him he could still take leave and that is not true. If he is in theater for more than 270 days then he will be able to go on R&R. Mob days have nothing to do with it; it is all based on the amount of time you will be in theater for that type of non-chargeable leave. Besides that; it wont be. And it will be non-chargeable since they started that in 2010 after I took my chargeable leave the last time.

                      For example; if the Army extends us; then it will be a nightmare because now they have to send all the soldiers in my unit on R&R. It is not going to happen.
                      If you are on 270 day mobilization orders then obviously this wont happen.

                      If you are on 365 day orders with a month at a mob station you are going to get leave. The intent in that wording is not to start everyones leave on the 271st day in theater, just like you are saying, that is impossible.

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                      • #12
                        Re: R&R Policy Change

                        Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                        It is probably you have nothing going on in your life and you just love downloading and reading regs all day lol.

                        Just teasing you bro.
                        Well, true.

                        1. That is my job (reading and downloading regs all day) and...

                        2. As you know, when in the sand box, there isn't much to do.

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                        • #13
                          Re: R&R Policy Change

                          Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
                          I'm not wrong at all, that is exactly what the G1 website states. If you're on 270 day orders then so be it, but there is a difference between 270 days Boots on ground and 270 Mobilization. It clearly states those on a 365/270 BOG get leave.

                          Whether or not that is actually happening, or if there is further guidance to follow is a different story.

                          If they have cut down the mob time then great, but a 365/270 isn't far different then what many units in the reserves/guard have been doing all along. I spent 3 months at a mob station on my last set of 400 day orders and 9 months in country.
                          And that what you dont understand. If the OP TCS orders are for 270 days; he is not getting leave period. He/she will have to be at a command or higher (which I doubt) that will be on a 365 day deployment. Also, 365/270 is the intent. If you are on a 365 day deployment; you could go on R&R when you in-country after 90 days and the 90 day R&R cycle initiates. That is what happened to me when I was in Iraq from 05-06. My daughter was born 3 months into my deployment so I was one of the ones that went first due to that.

                          In Afghanistan the last time; I arrived there in May and based on my lottery; I won to go home during the XMAS holiday. That was 7 months into my tour. Got back to Manas and had New Years over there.

                          Also, emergency leave (which is a given) still has sent soldiers home during the 270 day deployment and have returned. With 4.5 months left in my deployment; we still have replacements/late-deployers from my brigade still deploying.
                          Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; July 19th, 2012, 02:57 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: R&R Policy Change

                            Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
                            Well, true.

                            1. That is my job (reading and downloading regs all day) and...

                            2. As you know, when in the sand box, there isn't much to do.
                            So you are still in Kuwait and you are doing a 365 correct?

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                            • #15
                              Re: R&R Policy Change

                              Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
                              If you are on 270 day mobilization orders then obviously this wont happen.

                              If you are on 365 day orders with a month at a mob station you are going to get leave. The intent in that wording is not to start everyones leave on the 271st day in theater, just like you are saying, that is impossible.
                              Okay you tracking. Your post #2 was not specific enough.

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