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  • Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

    Hey all.

    I've posted a lot over the past few weeks in regards to MOS selection and as I have posted as well, I will going off to BCT in October then AIT to become a 15Y. Here's my question. Eventually, I will be completing ROTC while in school through the SMP. It's always been a dream to become an officer in the military. I've always had a passion for aviation as well. Which is why I went for a 15 series slot upon enlisting. What I am curious to hear feedback on is a couple MOS choices that I may be facing later on. Obviously I know I've got time to decide but I was curious and wanted to hear what some of you guys thought.

    First, my situation. I'm 22, a single father, working full time, school full time, and the Guard will soon be there as well. I've always had an interest in the infantry and have considered reclassing to a combat engineer spot. There's just something about the combat MOS's that draws me to them. I've also been thinking about SF. I'm sure not many of my family and friends would be too supportive right away over this direction but I have a huge interest in it. What do you guys think about being a parent and going into something like that? Honestly, is it something that I shouldn't even consider? I mean I am worried about what may happen to me of course but like I said, there is something that just draws me to it.

    I've also been considering going the pilot route. Like I said, I've always had a passion for aviation and that is why I would like this role as well.

    The officer role is something that I will be pursuing any direction I go. Basically I feel like I really want to serve. Something more combat oriented or if it's a support role, something that actually feels like I'm fighting for my country and my home. Don't get me wrong, I am super stoked for my 15Y slot, I was just curious about what some of you guys think.

    Sorry. I know it's a lot to go over. But if any of you guys can give me your insight that would be great. Especially if there is any info that would rule out any of the options entirely.
    Last edited by RyCass; July 10th, 2012, 09:56 AM. Reason: Minor spelling error

  • #2
    Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

    There was something that drew me to be a major star in the pawn industry but I never acted on it. You have to go on something more tangible than just emotions; especially in long term decisions that will affect career and family (in your case, a child).

    I suggest baby steps and when those crossroads appear at your 25 meter target then start deciding. For now; focus on school and work.

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    • #3
      Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

      Ya I guess slowing down and waiting till that time comes will be best. I have had a tendency to act on emotion a bit but if it is something that is realistic I would like to consider it. I mean, maybe that means SF is out of the question. Infantry seems more real than SF but I guess I don't know if it's a more viable option. Becoming a pilot has always a dream of mine and it is something that I would be willing to go for. I think a pilot would be perfect for what I am looking to get out of the Guard.

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      • #4
        Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

        If you are set on the officer path then SF is a little bit of a ways away anyway once that oportunity becomes available. Look at the SF requirements for officer, its going to be a few years. Enlisted, yea they have the 18X program which can get recent highschool grads to selection, otherwise you have to wait a couple years after you get in before you can go to selection.

        In other words thats a 100m target, so while that might be a goal or aspiration of yours its not even on the radar yet unless you decided to enlist 18X, which at this point you are going 15Y so thats not an option. So concentrate on figuring out what it is you really want, thats your 25m target. Do you want to be an aviator, roll around in the mud as an 11B or 12B, will you even get to be 11 or 12 series as an officer? Planning to stay NG or go active after getting a commision through ROTC? In the NG it can sometimes be easier to get the career branch you want but not always. If you want to go active duty then you have to compete for your branch, and getting your first pick will require you are pretty high on the OML list.

        Your 5m target is preparing yourself physically and mentally for basic and AIT. This also means getting your affairs in order before you go. Concentrate on that first and foremost and don't get wrapped up in the rest. Once you get back then re-adjust your target focus, which should be doing well in school and ROTC.

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        • #5
          Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

          You also mentioned that you are a "single father", which begs the question are you the sole custodial parent, or are you just single and see your kid a few weekends a month? The big difference there being how would you plan to become the college educated officer special forces infantry pilot you want to be with the PTA meetings and all?

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          • #6
            Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

            Originally posted by Mongoose772 View Post
            You also mentioned that you are a "single father", which begs the question are you the sole custodial parent, or are you just single and see your kid a few weekends a month? The big difference there being how would you plan to become the college educated officer special forces infantry pilot you want to be with the PTA meetings and all?
            I'm going to have to agree with Mongoose. Your commitment to the Guard is going to be incredibly challenging if you are the sole custodial parent.

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            • #7
              Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

              Besides all that, being Delta Dan and doing back flips all the way to your escape chopper while effectively engaging the enemy before you fly yourself and your platoon out of the hot zone isnt all it's cracked up to be
              Last edited by show_stopper999; July 9th, 2012, 08:39 PM. Reason: added more hooah

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              • #8
                Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                Originally posted by show_stopper999 View Post
                Besides all that, being Delta Dan and doing back flips all the way to your escape chopper while effectively engaging the enemy before you fly yourself and your platoon out of the hot zone isnt all it's cracked up to be
                But Delta Dan is a 1-man battle drill 6! That HAS to count for something!

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                • #9
                  Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                  Originally posted by SGT Juggernaut View Post
                  If you are set on the officer path then SF is a little bit of a ways away anyway once that oportunity becomes available. Look at the SF requirements for officer, its going to be a few years. Enlisted, yea they have the 18X program which can get recent highschool grads to selection, otherwise you have to wait a couple years after you get in before you can go to selection.

                  In other words thats a 100m target, so while that might be a goal or aspiration of yours its not even on the radar yet unless you decided to enlist 18X, which at this point you are going 15Y so thats not an option. So concentrate on figuring out what it is you really want, thats your 25m target. Do you want to be an aviator, roll around in the mud as an 11B or 12B, will you even get to be 11 or 12 series as an officer? Planning to stay NG or go active after getting a commision through ROTC? In the NG it can sometimes be easier to get the career branch you want but not always. If you want to go active duty then you have to compete for your branch, and getting your first pick will require you are pretty high on the OML list.

                  Your 5m target is preparing yourself physically and mentally for basic and AIT. This also means getting your affairs in order before you go. Concentrate on that first and foremost and don't get wrapped up in the rest. Once you get back then re-adjust your target focus, which should be doing well in school and ROTC.

                  Thank you for your response. Upon completion of ROTC, I am planning to stay Guard. I want to be local since I have my daughter here at home. Also because I may have more sway over my MOS, like I did when I was signing for the 15Y slot. Based off of responses and a little bit of thinking, it's sounding more and more that SF isn't the way to go. I think that was more the 12 year old in me wanting to be a bad ***. Lol. It would be a lot more viable if I didn't have a family to provide for I'm sure. I've been thinking more and more since posting this and I agree with you completely that waiting till I am done with BCT and AIT will be best. I definitely do not want to rush this decision. Realistically, I think becoming an aviator will accomplish what I'm looking for. As much as I would love to be an infantry office, it may not be the most practical option for my situation.



                  Originally posted by Mongoose772 View Post
                  You also mentioned that you are a "single father", which begs the question are you the sole custodial parent, or are you just single and see your kid a few weekends a month? The big difference there being how would you plan to become the college educated officer special forces infantry pilot you want to be with the PTA meetings and all?
                  Originally posted by show_stopper999 View Post
                  Besides all that, being Delta Dan and doing back flips all the way to your escape chopper while effectively engaging the enemy before you fly yourself and your platoon out of the hot zone isnt all it's cracked up to be

                  I guess I should've clarified a bit more. I am a single father but my daughters mother is still around. She actually has the child part time right now. Arrangements have already been made for my joining the Guard. And upon my return from BCT, AIT, and any future deployments, the schedule for care will pretty much go back to the way it is now.

                  With all due respect gentleman, while I do find your comments funny, I'm not expecting to do everything. Just looking at opinions based off the things that interest me.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                    Excellent response.

                    I often tell applicants of various types that the Guard can be as much or as little as you want it to be. There are endless opportunities and they are not always so GI Joe obvious as hooah schools and positions, however, with careful reasoning, determination and some form of hard work you can do just about anything you want. (Assuming there aren't other things that preclude you).

                    Have you considered WOCS and Flight School? Warrants fly considerably more for a much longer period of time, and don't have the hassles of command. Also when you look at the senior warrant's pay scale you'll find it's rivals field grade counterparts.

                    Perhaps your biggest hurdle is the 18 - 20 month flight school commitment. I'm not sure how you would plan that out.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                      The flight school commitment is definitely one that will be difficult to work with but if I can do it, I feel it would be worth it. I've thought about WOCS and correct me if I'm wrong but I kept hearing that you had to be at least an E-5 for that. I just figured since I would be going to college to get my degree anyway, that I might as well go through ROTC.

                      Are there any benefits to going through with WOCS instead of ROTC and becoming commissioned? The flight time would be a big thing more me. I would want to fly as much as possible so if going WOCS then Flight School would allow that, I may consider that route. Then still finish my degree as well.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                        For technical warrant not aviator. Look at the 153A aviator selection list that I have attached. And aviator warrants make more money than technical warrants since they get flight pay but promotions are faster for technicals.

                        http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/1...tions-112210w/ <--this is AD selections

                        153a, Helicopter Pilot

                        Allen Eric Staff Sgt.t
                        Ashby Caleb Staff Sgt.
                        Baldwin Michael Staff Sgt.
                        Barrs Matthew Pfc. <---LOOK A PFC!!
                        Beckman Daniel Staff Sgt.
                        Bradley Delmar Staff Sgt.
                        BradstreetSethStaff Sgt.
                        Carroll Timothy Staff Sgt.
                        Clark JodyStaff Sgt.
                        Coppins Kevin Staff Sgt.
                        Davis Brandon Staff Sgt.
                        Dean Brandon Staff Sgt.
                        Devault Richard Sgt. 1st Class
                        Dionne Steven Sgt.
                        Fry Justin Spc. <--LOOK A SPECIALIST!!
                        Howard Robert Staff Sgt.
                        Justin Shawn Staff Sgt.
                        Lesikar Darrell Pfc.< Lovell Samuel Sgt. 1st Class
                        Mathis Brandon Staff Sgt.
                        Muller Jesse Staff Sgt.
                        Nawrocki Aaron Sgt. 1st Class
                        Nelson Michael Sgt.
                        Orr Derek Staff Sgt.
                        Ray Shawn Sgt.
                        Roberts Christopher Spc. << Schoonover Cody Spc.<<<<<<
                        Skilbred Scott Staff Sgt.
                        Smith Kevin Staff Sgt.t
                        Trepanier Wayne Staff Sgt.
                        Walters Isaiah 1st. Lt. <--EVEN A LOUIE MADE A GREAT DECISION! LOL
                        Wilson Christopher Tsgt. <--AIR FORCE!! BOO!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                          Originally posted by 4wheelin4evr View Post
                          The flight school commitment is definitely one that will be difficult to work with but if I can do it, I feel it would be worth it. I've thought about WOCS and correct me if I'm wrong but I kept hearing that you had to be at least an E-5 for that. I just figured since I would be going to college to get my degree anyway, that I might as well go through ROTC.

                          Are there any benefits to going through with WOCS instead of ROTC and becoming commissioned? The flight time would be a big thing more me. I would want to fly as much as possible so if going WOCS then Flight School would allow that, I may consider that route. Then still finish my degree as well.
                          As an Aviation applicant, you would not need to be an E5. That requirement is only for technical WO. Check out the Warrant Officer Application Guide on the National Guard website for more details. You'll find the link about half way down the page: http://bit.ly/PH9rAS

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                          • #14
                            Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                            So based off what new info has presented itself, it sounds like I could just go aviator warrant and not even worry about ROTC.

                            Thank you for providing that list. Definitely gives me some insight on what options I have. So do you guys think it's worth even going through ROTC if I go WOCS? I'm really interested in that direction now knowing that I don't have to be an E5.

                            Thanks for the link RyCass. Definitely sheds some light on the matter.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Honest opinions on future MOS direction.

                              Why would you go through ROTC, which upon completion earns a commision, only to try to go WOCS soon after? Most certainly still finish college and get a degree but decide what route you want to take to become an aviator. This is still looking beyond the 25m target, focus on basic and AIT. Being in aviation you will get your chance to witness WO vs CO and their roles as aviators when you get to your unit.

                              If it were me and I was mostly concerned with flying as much as I could for as long as I could I would go the WO route. Also, while ROTC can offer nice scholarships for college it is an additional commitment that will require a good amount of time. You will qualify fo the GI bill after you get back from AIT, and even though it wont be a ton of money it will help a little. This way you can concentrate more on getting good grades and not having to worry about ROTC stuff.

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