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  • Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

    I currently am a combat mos 11c except I am going to change it to 27D Paralegal specialist. My recruiter said he would do it since I have not gone to basic and AIT. So hopefully that's legit unless i am being lied to.

    But anyway, if I am a paralegal specialist and (as my recruiter said and is stationing me) i will be stationed at HQ in Austin, what would be the probability i will deploy to Afghanistan? Will i have a better chance of deploying to another country? Also would one of the Paralegals or JAGs describe me to what I will be doing as a Paralegal in the Guard? Have you been deployed? have you seen combat? Is this job literally a paper pusher cleric job?

    I just joined the guard so i just would like clarification!

  • #2
    Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

    Did you read this recent thread?

    http://www.nationalguard.com/forums/...gal-Specialist

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    • #3
      Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

      Deployment odds really can't be predicted accurately. The military can also make you an MP guarding detainees or standing at a checkpoint if a mission needs it.

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      • #4
        Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

        Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
        The military can also make you an MP guarding detainees or standing at a checkpoint if a mission needs it.
        What the heck is this supposed to mean? If this person is a 27D, this would not happen.

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        • #5
          Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

          LOL, I can name a 27D gate guard off the top of my head right now. I can also think of a whole Chem Company that had to switch to a 31B MOS for deployment, and as soon as the Demob was over, they were Chem again. Its the needs of the Army and what crazy situations people find themselves in. Is it normal? No.. Does it Happen? Yes

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          • #6
            Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

            Originally posted by Phantom View Post
            LOL, I can name a 27D gate guard off the top of my head right now. I can also think of a whole Chem Company that had to switch to a 31B MOS for deployment, and as soon as the Demob was over, they were Chem again. Its the needs of the Army and what crazy situations people find themselves in. Is it normal? No.. Does it Happen? Yes
            HAHA, HEHE very funny..... You have no idea what I am talking about. I'm not saying that details don't happen, or mandatory reclass. But you are not going to find legal personell (27A, 27B, 270A, or 27D) guarding detainees, at least not one that the SJA knows about. It is a legal conflict. Same reason we can not be UPL's or particiapte in the Uranalysis process. You can frequently find your Battalion Paralegals on some BS detail because they are usually junior in grade and assigned to an S-1 shop who has no concept of their duties, however there is always a policy that prohibits non legal duties being assigned to legal personell without the consent of the SJA. The purpose of this is to prevent legal conflicts that detail happy 1SG's can't understand. If you have a good SJA they will always back you. Frequently this policy also allows the SJA to task organize legal personell as they wish, regardless of unit. This is what allows tax centers, legal assitance offices, Trial Defense offices and so on to run, because they generally do not have enlisted personell assigned to them.
            Last edited by ParalegalNCO1; February 24th, 2012, 04:16 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

              I mean of course there's a chance that the NG can re-class but the odds now I'm sure are slim. Most of the recruiters i have spoken to say the 27D is a desk job. and one recruiter said to me "Here's the basic way of looking at it, you are a paralegal and pretty much you will be sitting behind a desk for your enlistment. You can always volunteer to deploy though and you get veteran's status once you deploy. The way i see it and i think most people can vouch for me, if the army actually does throw you into the field then the military have exhausted all other options if they are starting to send paralegals to do infantry jobs." Most of the recruiters and many other people i've asked said pretty much the same thing.

              And i understand I can be assigned to a infantry unit but people have stated that if they deploy does not mean you do.

              I'm just repeating statements that i have heard.

              By that, What do you all have to say? What are your opinions or facts that you know of?

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              • #8
                Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                Originally posted by isteyr View Post

                By that, What do you all have to say? What are your opinions or facts that you know of?
                Most of the opinions are based on facts and experiences of NCOs and Officers (observe the signatures) that have been serving for many years and have been deployed.

                When I was a MP, we were shorthanded since an MP platoon supported a whole brigade so our brigade gave us augmentees to support our mission; mainly was guarding detainees at a internment facility. All were combat support or combat service support MOS (e.g. MI, Cooks, admin clerks) that worked with us for months or the entire year downrange. And yes, the majority were E-4s and below. We have a few sergeants.

                Since MPs were being increased in strength (as Phantom wrote), artillery units were converted into provisional MPs unit and went through a expedited MP course at Fort LeonardWood and earned the MOS.

                I never personally witnessed a 27D downrange that worked outside his MOS. But does it happen; possibly. They provided legal services and assisted the JAG (lawyer) in cases and UCMJ actions. We had one in my last unit that was an E-5 and left the Army after we re-deployed but joined the Army Reserves in Germany.

                Remember, you are joining a part-time component that serves one-weekend a month. Remember, Afghanistan in drawing down soon. Before you get yourself worked on all the what-ifs; just get involved in a career that fits you and take it from there. The rest will fall into place.

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                • #9
                  Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                  I was speaking in general. Sheesh.
                  Last edited by SteveLord; February 25th, 2012, 12:12 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                    Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                    Most of the opinions are based on facts and experiences of NCOs and Officers (observe the signatures) that have been serving for many years and have been deployed.

                    When I was a MP, we were shorthanded since an MP platoon supported a whole brigade so our brigade gave us augmentees to support our mission; mainly was guarding detainees at a internment facility. All were combat support or combat service support MOS (e.g. MI, Cooks, admin clerks) that worked with us for months or the entire year downrange. And yes, the majority were E-4s and below. We have a few sergeants.

                    Since MPs were being increased in strength (as Phantom wrote), artillery units were converted into provisional MPs unit and went through a expedited MP course at Fort LeonardWood and earned the MOS.

                    I never personally witnessed a 27D downrange that worked outside his MOS. But does it happen; possibly. They provided legal services and assisted the JAG (lawyer) in cases and UCMJ actions. We had one in my last unit that was an E-5 and left the Army after we re-deployed but joined the Army Reserves in Germany.

                    Remember, you are joining a part-time component that serves one-weekend a month. Remember, Afghanistan in drawing down soon. Before you get yourself worked on all the what-ifs; just get involved in a career that fits you and take it from there. The rest will fall into place.
                    So from most of what I am hearing is for the most part true? I'm just have the what-ifs because school is a priority. Obviously if i get deployed i will do my best and serve without any hesitation. But are the chances high that they will take me out of school? Or are they not going to bother since I'm a full time student? I mean its only common sense to understand if WW3 ever started then yeah so good bye to school. But i've been told as well they dont usually deploy kids that are full-time students. Is that pretty much the case in general? (again remember i understand the fact if **** hits the fan i have no choice.) I just enjoy hearing peoples opinions and how they think about certain things. I'm always one to ask questions and make the best out of everything.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                      you will notice a lot of the guys on here have an 11 series MOS somewhere in their military history.. That is for a good reason. It is definitely one of the most sought after and pride inducing jobs the Army has. Why not give it a shot and then, down the road, if you don't like it, go ahead and reclass to para-legal? When I went through basic, I was an 11B in an 11C company, so I got all of the mortar training, and let me tell you, it was a blast. There is a reason why mention of Sand Hill strikes fear in the senior NCO's to this day. When they went through, it was very very difficult. While it is easier now, it is still very difficult compared to the other BCT sites, and if you make it through, you can say you did it and have pride in that, as well as a better opportunity for schools and all around hooah-ness. Also, you get a fancy blue cord and learn that the rest of the army supports you, just so you can get a nice warm and fuzzy about it. But for real, Infantry is a great choice, and we aren't all as dumb as the ASVAB requirement suggests. One last thing, trying to switch around MOS's in a time of no money and a drawback on the active duty side with all of those guys now trying to come to the guard, your recruiter is going to be swamped, and trying to get a reclass for a guy who hasn't even been through BCT is going to be the least of his worries.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                        Thing is, 11 series is essentially a 2 week school when one reclasses to it. So obviously the chances of taking 27D first, then going infantry later are much higher. Easiest way to get the blue cord.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                          Originally posted by isteyr View Post
                          I mean of course there's a chance that the NG can re-class but the odds now I'm sure are slim. Most of the recruiters i have spoken to say the 27D is a desk job. and one recruiter said to me "Here's the basic way of looking at it, you are a paralegal and pretty much you will be sitting behind a desk for your enlistment. You can always volunteer to deploy though and you get veteran's status once you deploy. The way i see it and i think most people can vouch for me, if the army actually does throw you into the field then the military have exhausted all other options if they are starting to send paralegals to do infantry jobs." Most of the recruiters and many other people i've asked said pretty much the same thing.

                          And i understand I can be assigned to a infantry unit but people have stated that if they deploy does not mean you do.

                          I'm just repeating statements that i have heard.

                          By that, What do you all have to say? What are your opinions or facts that you know of?
                          You go where your unit goes. And if you work in operations law, field time and travel can be frequent depending on the type of unit assigned too. Generally speaking, it is mostly clerical duties.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                            [QUOTE=fmcityslicker;154333]I never personally witnessed a 27D downrange that worked outside his MOS. But does it happen; possibly.[QUOTE]

                            Insert the unit of your choice into the blanks; because all senior commands in an operational enviroment have this signed by a General Officer or an O-6.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Deployment odds of going to Afghanistan Vs. another country?

                              Originally posted by ParalegalNCO1 View Post
                              Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                              I never personally witnessed a 27D downrange that worked outside his MOS. But does it happen; possibly.
                              Insert the unit of your choice into the blanks; because all senior commands in an operational enviroment have this signed by a General Officer or an O-6.
                              Your attachment is pending approval but I believe you since there are always exceptions. I just feel that at times; nobody is untouchable only in certain cases.

                              So in all Army history, a paralegal never worked outside his MOS?

                              I found this link interesting

                              http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...tours_in_iraq/

                              I have seen a few IAMAs from war veterans and various military service personnel, but thought I would see if there would be any interest from my sort of unique perspective.
                              I joined the U.S. Army as a 27D - Paralegal Specialist, and during my time on active duty, I served two tours in Iraq from Feb 2003 - Mar 2004 and Sep 2005 - Sep 2006.
                              During my first deployment, I did a number of very interesting unique things from paying out claims to Iraqi civilians for damages we did to their homes, livestock, families etc, helping rebuild the judicial system in Nineveh Provice, and starting the first Anti-Corruption Commission in all of Iraq (based off of a Singapoore model).
                              My second tour was basically spent monitoring detainee facilities and assisting in prosecution of Soldiers that broke the law. Specifically, I assisted in the prosecution of four Soldiers that set three detainees free and subsequently murdered them.
                              Oddly enough, as a Paralegal, I actually saw combat and exchanged small arms fire with the opposition (hate to use the word enemy). I was awared one of the Army's medals for valor in combat (ARCOM w/ V device).
                              After I got off of Active Duty, I became my local president of Iraq Veterans Against the War and began to speak out against the war.
                              Ask away! I will not violate OPSEC or provide any sort of information that would harm our servicemembers or our country. Want to learn about the military judicial system? How we win the hearts and minds? Etc? Ask away!
                              Thanks!
                              Now I do not know if this is true or actually happened but very interesting experience of the 27D. And my bolding does not imply he was guarding detainees or working outside of his MOS because I was not there. When I worked in a interment facility; our paperwork was forwarded to JAG via digital sender to Speicher and to an officer. I never had a 27D working in my detainee center. This post illustrates that this 27D is not just sitting behind a desk all day and to show the OP that there could be "action" involved.

                              This article is of an outstanding paralegal NCO

                              http://www.army.mil/article/39362/Fr...f_to_Army_NCO/

                              OP, as you have observed; if you do your homework and research, you can find examples of an MOS that interests you that could fill all your goals and ambitions as a soldier. Just remember that people in the same MOS could have a very unique experience over another and it could vary based on unit and assignment.

                              Good luck.
                              Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; February 25th, 2012, 11:22 AM.

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