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    My parents both stated they would not be happy with me joining the Reserves or Army, but said if I wanted to join before I turn 18. They will sign the papers when I turn 17, consenting for me to go into the guard. Since I am their only son, if they recanted on their statement and said they won't consent, Would I be able to get a waiver to void and noll their disapproval? Also, even though I'd be in the Reserves, ow fast might I rank up? e.g. Like, I'd go from a Private to a PFC in 3-4 years.
    Last edited by DaltonBroadus; October 1st, 2012, 10:52 AM. Reason: but to both. want to wanted. They will sign the pap 17 consenting to They will sign the papers when I turn 17.

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    Re: Parents Consent

    Originally posted by DaltonBroadus View Post
    My parents but stated they would not be happy with me joining the Reserves or Army, but said if I want to join before I turn 18. They will sign the 17 consenting for me to go into the guard. Since I am their only son, if they recanted on their statement and said they won't consent. Would I be able to get a waiver to void and noll their disapproval? Also, even though I'd be in the Reserves, ow fast might I rank up? e.g. Like, I'd go from a Private to a PFC in 3-4 years.
    The promotion criteria for promotion to the ranks of E-2 to E-4 are:

    •Private (E-2) - Six months time-in-grade (TIG) as a private (E-1).
    •Private First Class (E-3) - Four months TIG as a Private (E-2) and 12 months time-in-service (TIS).
    •Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 6 months TIG with 24 months TIS

    TIS=time in service
    TIG=time in grade

    I think your question would be on the civilian side, if it would stand in court, because I do not believe the Guard could help you in that manner (fighting them saying yes and then no). It would also be hearsay unless you had something in writing in the court system I would think. And everyone can change their mind, I do not believe the court would be able to help you either, but I have no training in that field so its just my opinion. It is a good idea and creative thinking on your end, but until the papers are signed by them I dont think it matters what they say.

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    • #3
      Re: Parents Consent

      Originally posted by DaltonBroadus View Post
      My parents but stated they would not be happy with me joining the Reserves or Army, but said if I want to join before I turn 18. They will sign the 17 consenting for me to go into the guard. Since I am their only son, if they recanted on their statement and said they won't consent. Would I be able to get a waiver to void and noll their disapproval? Also, even though I'd be in the Reserves, ow fast might I rank up? e.g. Like, I'd go from a Private to a PFC in 3-4 years.
      Generally speaking....Yes, they could revoke their consent up until the day you actually joined.

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      • #4
        Re: Parents Consent

        Originally posted by WIBecky74 View Post
        The promotion criteria for promotion to the ranks of E-2 to E-4 are:

        •Private (E-2) - Six months time-in-grade (TIG) as a private (E-1).
        •Private First Class (E-3) - Four months TIG as a Private (E-2) and 12 months time-in-service (TIS).
        •Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 6 months TIG with 24 months TIS

        TIS=time in service
        TIG=time in grade
        I'm not sure of the regulations, but I am sure of my own experience -- enlisting as a PFC/E3 and being promoted to SPC/E4 with 14 months TIS (and TIG, since I came in as E3). I remember seeing the same TIG/TIS requirements back then too (9-10 years ago), but it seemed to me that it was more a guideline and units could promote people according to their own criteria. I also personally know of a soldier who came in as an E4 and was promoted to E5 with less than 24 months TIS.

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        • #5
          Re: Parents Consent

          Originally posted by jwarren View Post
          I'm not sure of the regulations, but I am sure of my own experience -- enlisting as a PFC/E3 and being promoted to SPC/E4 with 14 months TIS (and TIG, since I came in as E3). I remember seeing the same TIG/TIS requirements back then too (9-10 years ago), but it seemed to me that it was more a guideline and units could promote people according to their own criteria. I also personally know of a soldier who came in as an E4 and was promoted to E5 with less than 24 months TIS.
          Yes you can get a waiver or exception to policy (dont know which, it obviously never happened to me, i've been ontop of the promotion list for months now lol) to get promoted early at your Commands discretion. There are regulations regarding that. Google 'AR 600-8-19' for that guidance.

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          • #6
            Re: Parents Consent

            Originally posted by jwarren View Post
            I'm not sure of the regulations, but I am sure of my own experience -- enlisting as a PFC/E3 and being promoted to SPC/E4 with 14 months TIS (and TIG, since I came in as E3). I remember seeing the same TIG/TIS requirements back then too (9-10 years ago), but it seemed to me that it was more a guideline and units could promote people according to their own criteria. I also personally know of a soldier who came in as an E4 and was promoted to E5 with less than 24 months TIS.
            Yes, outstanding Soldiers can be recommended by their commander to be promoted sooner. I haven't seen that happen very often, though.

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            • #7
              Re: Parents Consent

              There are still TIS/TIG requirements even with a waiver. It's not just at the commanders discretion.


              And if your parents sign and then you join, there is no "taking it back" after you are enlisted.

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              • #8
                Re: Parents Consent

                Originally posted by HR NCO View Post
                There are still TIS/TIG requirements even with a waiver. It's not just at the commanders discretion.


                And if your parents sign and then you join, there is no "taking it back" after you are enlisted.
                Absolutely. I should have added that. Thanks!

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                • #9
                  Re: Parents Consent

                  Originally posted by WIBecky74 View Post
                  The promotion criteria for promotion to the ranks of E-2 to E-4 are:

                  •Private (E-2) - Six months time-in-grade (TIG) as a private (E-1).
                  •Private First Class (E-3) - Four months TIG as a Private (E-2) and 12 months time-in-service (TIS).
                  •Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 6 months TIG with 24 months TIS

                  TIS=time in service
                  TIG=time in grade

                  I think your question would be on the civilian side, if it would stand in court, because I do not believe the Guard could help you in that manner (fighting them saying yes and then no). It would also be hearsay unless you had something in writing in the court system I would think. And everyone can change their mind, I do not believe the court would be able to help you either, but I have no training in that field so its just my opinion. It is a good idea and creative thinking on your end, but until the papers are signed by them I dont think it matters what they say.
                  l o l

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                  • #10
                    Re: Parents Consent

                    Just in case anyone wants to know the waiver requirements...from the 600-8-19

                    Waivers for TIS and TIMIG:
                    (a) Promotion to PV2 may be waived at 4 months TIS.
                    (b) Promotions to PFC may be waived at 6 months TIS and 2 months TIMIG
                    (c) Promotions to SPC may be waived at 18 months TIS and 3 months TIMIG.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Parents Consent

                      Originally posted by HR NCO View Post
                      Just in case anyone wants to know the waiver requirements...from the 600-8-19

                      Waivers for TIS and TIMIG:
                      (a) Promotion to PV2 may be waived at 4 months TIS.
                      (b) Promotions to PFC may be waived at 6 months TIS and 2 months TIMIG
                      (c) Promotions to SPC may be waived at 18 months TIS and 3 months TIMIG.
                      I'm curious as to how this has changed over the years, because I was promoted to E4 with 14 months TIS in January 2004.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Parents Consent

                        Originally posted by jwarren View Post
                        I'm curious as to how this has changed over the years, because I was promoted to E4 with 14 months TIS in January 2004.
                        I'm pretty sure it was the same then, i was an HR NCO during that time frame and I don't remember it changing. It could be that you just somehow got one over on the system. Your command may have processed it without realizing it wasn't authorized and then it may have just "slipped" through the system somehow.

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