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    Forwarded from: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=40772

    Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

    We are current or former Army Reserve, National Guard, and active duty US Army Special Forces soldiers (Green Berets). We have all taken an oath to “...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.…” The Constitution of the United States is without a doubt the single greatest document in the history of mankind, codifying the fundamental principle of governmental power and authority being derived from and granted through the consent of the governed. Our Constitution established a system of governance that preserves, protects, and holds sacrosanct the individual rights and primacy of the governed as well as providing for the explicit protection of the governed from governmental tyranny and/or oppression. We have witnessed the insidious and iniquitous effects of tyranny and oppression on people all over the world. We and our forebears have embodied and personified our organizational motto, De Oppresso Liber [To Free the Oppressed], for more than a half century as we have fought, shed blood, and died in the pursuit of freedom for the oppressed.

    Like you, we are also loving and caring fathers and grandfathers. Like you, we have been stunned, horrified, and angered by the tragedies of Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Fort Hood, and Sandy Hook; and like you, we are searching for solutions to the problem of gun-related crimes in our society. Many of us are educators in our second careers and have a special interest to find a solution to this problem. However, unlike much of the current vox populi reactions to this tragedy, we offer a different perspective.

    First, we need to set the record straight on a few things. The current debate is over so-called “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines. The terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are often confused. According to Bruce H. Kobayashi and Joseph E. Olson, writing in the Stanford Law and Policy Review, “Prior to 1989, the term ‘assault weapon’ did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term [underline added for emphasis], developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of assault rifles.”

    The M4A1 carbine is a U.S. military service rifle - it is an assault rifle. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. The “AR” in its name does not stand for “Assault Rifle” - it is the designation from the first two letters of the manufacturer’s name – ArmaLite Corporation. The AR-15 is designed so that it cosmetically looks like the M4A1 carbine assault rifle, but it is impossible to configure the AR-15 to be a fully automatic assault rifle. It is a single shot semi-automatic rifle that can fire between 45 and 60 rounds per minute depending on the skill of the operator. The M4A1 can fire up to 950 rounds per minute. In 1986, the federal government banned the import or manufacture of new fully automatic firearms for sale to civilians. Therefore, the sale of assault rifles are already banned or heavily restricted!

    The second part of the current debate is over “high capacity magazines” capable of holding more than 10 rounds in the magazine. As experts in military weapons of all types, it is our considered opinion that reducing magazine capacity from 30 rounds to 10 rounds will only require an additional 6 -8 seconds to change two empty 10 round magazines with full magazines. Would an increase of 6 –8 seconds make any real difference to the outcome in a mass shooting incident? In our opinion it would not. Outlawing such “high capacity magazines” would, however, outlaw a class of firearms that are “in common use”. As such this would be in contravention to the opinion expressed by the U.S. Supreme Court recent decisions.

    Moreover, when the Federal Assault Weapons Ban became law in 1994, manufacturers began retooling to produce firearms and magazines that were compliant. One of those ban-compliant firearms was the Hi-Point 995, which was sold with ten-round magazines. In 1999, five years into the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, the Columbine High School massacre occurred. One of the perpetrators, Eric Harris, was armed with a Hi-Point 995. Undeterred by the ten-round capacity of his magazines, Harris simply brought more of them: thirteen magazines would be found in the massacre's aftermath. Harris fired 96 rounds before killing himself.

    Now that we have those facts straight, in our opinion, it is too easy to conclude that the problem is guns and that the solution to the problem is more and stricter gun control laws. For politicians, it is politically expedient to take that position and pass more gun control laws and then claim to constituents that they have done the right thing in the interest of protecting our children. Who can argue with that? Of course we all want to find a solution. But, is the problem really guns? Would increasing gun regulation solve the problem? Did we outlaw cars to combat drunk driving?

    What can we learn from experiences with this issue elsewhere? We cite the experience in Great Britain. Despite the absence of a “gun culture”, Great Britain, with one-fifth the population of the U.S., has experienced mass shootings that are eerily similar to those we have experienced in recent years. In 1987 a lone gunman killed 18 people in Hungerford. What followed was the Firearms Act of 1988 making registration mandatory and banning semi-automatic guns and pump-action shotguns. Despite this ban, on March 13, 1996 a disturbed 43-year old former scout leader, Thomas Hamilton, murdered 16 school children aged five and six and a teacher at a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. Within a year and a half the Firearms Act was amended to ban all private ownership of hand guns. After both shootings there were amnesty periods resulting in the surrender of thousands of firearms and ammunition. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the world, gun related crimes increased in 2003 by 35% over the previous year with firearms used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the preceding 12 months. Gun related homicides were up 32% over the same period. Overall, gun related crime had increased 65% since the Dunblane massacre and implementation of the toughest gun control laws in the developed world. In contrast, in 2009 (5 years after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) total firearm related homicides in the U.S. declined by 9% from the 2005 high (Source: “FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Master File, Table 310, Murder Victims – Circumstances and Weapons Used or Cause of Death: 2000-2009”).

    Are there unintended consequences to stricter gun control laws and the politically expedient path that we have started down?

    In a recent op-ed piece in the San Francisco Chronicle, Brett Joshpe stated that “Gun advocates will be hard-pressed to explain why the average American citizen needs an assault weapon with a high-capacity magazine other than for recreational purposes.”We agree with Kevin D. Williamson (National Review Online, December 28, 2012): “The problem with this argument is that there is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment right that excludes military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear.”

    “The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny. Consider the words of Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story”: ‘The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.’

    The Second Amendment has been ruled to specifically extend to firearms “in common use” by the military by the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in U.S. v Miller (1939). In Printz v U.S. (1997) Justice Thomas wrote: “In Miller we determined that the Second Amendment did not guarantee a citizen’s right to possess a sawed-off shot gun because that weapon had not been shown to be “ordinary military equipment” that could “could contribute to the common defense”.

    A citizen’s right to keep and bear arms for personal defense unconnected with service in a militia has been reaffirmed in the U.S. Supreme Court decision (District of Columbia, et al. v Heller, 2008). The Court Justice Scalia wrote in the majority opinion: “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.“. Justice Scalia went on to define a militia as “… comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense ….”
    “The Anti-Federalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved.” he explained.

    On September 13, 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. A Washington Post editorial published two days later was candid about the ban's real purpose:“[N]o one should have any illusions about what was accomplished [by the ban]. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.”

    In a challenge to the authority of the Federal government to require State and Local Law Enforcement to enforce Federal Law (Printz v United States) the U.S. Supreme Court rendered a decision in 1997. For the majority opinion Justice Scalia wrote: "…. this Court never has sanctioned explicitly a federal command to the States to promulgate and enforce laws and regulations When we were at last confronted squarely with a federal statute that unambiguously required the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program, our decision should have come as no surprise….. It is an essential attribute of the States' retained sovereignty that they remain independent and autonomous within their proper sphere of authority.”

    So why should non-gun owners, a majority of Americans, care about maintaining the 2nd Amendment right for citizens to bear arms of any kind?

    The answer is “The Battle of Athens, TN”. The Cantrell family had controlled the economy and politics of McMinn County, Tennessee since the 1930s. Paul Cantrell had been Sheriff from 1936 -1940 and in 1942 was elected to the State Senate. His chief deputy, Paul Mansfield, was subsequently elected to two terms as Sheriff. In 1946 returning WWII veterans put up a popular candidate for Sheriff. On August 1 Sheriff Mansfield and 200 “deputies” stormed the post office polling place to take control of the ballot boxes wounding an objecting observer in the process. The veterans bearing military style weapons, laid siege to the Sheriff’s office demanding return of the ballot boxes for public counting of the votes as prescribed in Tennessee law. After exchange of gun fire and blowing open the locked doors, the veterans secured the ballot boxes thereby protecting the integrity of the election. And this is precisely why all Americans should be concerned about protecting all of our right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment!

    Throughout history, disarming the populace has always preceded tyrants’ accession of power. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all disarmed their citizens prior to installing their murderous regimes. At the beginning of our own nation’s revolution, one of the first moves made by the British government was an attempt to disarm our citizens. When our Founding Fathers ensured that the 2nd Amendment was made a part of our Constitution, they were not just wasting ink. They were acting to ensure our present security was never forcibly endangered by tyrants, foreign or domestic.

    If there is a staggering legal precedent to protect our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms and if stricter gun control laws are not likely to reduce gun related crime, why are we having this debate? Other than making us and our elected representatives feel better because we think that we are doing something to protect our children, these actions will have no effect and will only provide us with a false sense of security.

    So, what do we believe will be effective? First, it is important that we recognize that this is not a gun control problem; it is a complex sociological problem. No single course of action will solve the problem. Therefore, it is our recommendation that a series of diverse steps be undertaken, the implementation of which will require patience and diligence to realize an effect. These are as follows:

    1. First and foremost we support our Second Amendment right in that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

    2. We support State and Local School Boards in their efforts to establish security protocols in whatever manner and form that they deem necessary and adequate. One of the great strengths of our Republic is that State and Local governments can be creative in solving problems. Things that work can be shared. Our point is that no one knows what will work and there is no one single solution, so let’s allow the State and Local governments with the input of the citizens to make the decisions. Most recently the Cleburne Independent School District will become the first district in North Texas to consider allowing some teachers to carry concealed guns. We do not opine as to the appropriateness of this decision, but we do support their right to make this decision for themselves.

    3. We recommend that Assisted Outpatient Treatment (AOT) laws be passed in every State. AOT is formerly known as Involuntary Outpatient Commitment (IOC) and allows the courts to order certain individuals with mental disorders to comply with treatment while living in the community. In each of the mass shooting incidents the perpetrator was mentally unstable. We also believe that people who have been adjudicated as incompetent should be simultaneously examined to determine whether they should be allowed the right to retain/purchase firearms.

    4. We support the return of firearm safety programs to schools along the lines of the successful "Eddie the Eagle" program, which can be taught in schools by Peace Officers or other trained professionals.

    5. Recent social psychology research clearly indicates that there is a direct relationship between gratuitously violent movies/video games and desensitization to real violence and increased aggressive behavior particularly in children and young adults (See Nicholas L. Carnagey, et al. 2007. “The effect of video game violence on physiological desensitization to real-life violence” and the references therein. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 43:489-496). Therefore, we strongly recommend that gratuitous violence in movies and video games be discouraged. War and war-like behavior should not be glorified. Hollywood and video game producers are exploiting something they know nothing about. General Sherman famously said “War is Hell!” Leave war to the Professionals. War is not a game and should not be "sold" as entertainment to our children.

    6. We support repeal of the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. This may sound counter-intuitive, but it obviously isn’t working. It is our opinion that “Gun-Free Zones” anywhere are too tempting of an environment for the mentally disturbed individual to inflict their brand of horror with little fear of interference. While governmental and non-governmental organizations, businesses, and individuals should be free to implement a Gun-Free Zone if they so choose, they should also assume Tort liability for that decision.

    7. We believe that border states should take responsibility for implementation of border control laws to prevent illegal shipments of firearms and drugs. Drugs have been illegal in this country for a long, long time yet the Federal Government manages to seize only an estimated 10% of this contraband at our borders. Given this dismal performance record that is misguided and inept (“Fast and Furious”), we believe that border States will be far more competent at this mission.

    8. This is our country, these are our rights. We believe that it is time that we take personal responsibility for our choices and actions rather than abdicate that responsibility to someone else under the illusion that we have done something that will make us all safer. We have a responsibility to stand by our principles and act in accordance with them. Our children are watching and they will follow the example we set.

    The Quiet Professionals hereby humbly stand ever present, ever ready, and ever vigilant.

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    Good link. I read this yesterday but was unsure whether to post it or not. Glad you did.

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      (Not sure if you're posting this for information sake or interested in a discussion)

      All sound good to me except #5 because every single incident likes to point to the entertainment industry. Ironic considering tax dollars went toward funding a game called America's Army, which the Army proudly promoted and distributed to anybody and everybody. While it wasn't as graphic as any Call of Duty title, it still provided 2 teams shooting each other as entertainment. The military also regularly works in collaboration with video game developers.

      I also don't buy the study because it is very short term. "Oh my gosh, 3 days of playing video games has clearly created monsters out of these subjects."

      In the end, everyone is looking for something to blame...except themselves or humanity as a whole.
      Last edited by SteveLord; January 30th, 2013, 02:52 PM.

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        Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
        All sound good to me except #5 because every single incident likes to point to the entertainment industry. Ironic considering tax dollars went toward funding a game called America's Army, which the Army proudly promoted and distributed to anybody and everybody. While it wasn't as graphic as any Call of Duty title, it still provided 2 teams shooting each other as entertainment. The military also regularly works in collaboration with video game developers.

        I also don't buy the study because it is very short term. "Oh my gosh, 3 days of playing video games has clearly created monsters out of these subjects."

        In the end, everyone is looking for something to blame...except themselves or humanity as a whole.
        I'm with you. Being a gamer, I can tell you that the only way video games would have an effect on someone is if someone already was mentally unstable. In fact, many researches have shown that video games actually DECREASED violence due to it being a stress relieve.

        Also, a few matches of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, etc. will train some to properly use a weapon and use it in a effective manner.

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          Re: Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

          Originally posted by Austin Blackman View Post
          Also, a few matches of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, etc. will train some to properly use a weapon and use it in a effective manner.
          This is a ridiculous statement.

          Handling a game controller and handling an actual firearm are two totally different things. The aiming reticle on your TV does not shake. Your goggles and helmet are not slipping down over your face. There is no sweat dripping into your eyes as you're squinting to positively identify a target. The controller does not kick. It does not jam. Its sling does not get caught on your gear or other objects. You aren't in a contorted position in which you have to struggle to reach your magazine pouches. You don't have to worry about the construction of the buildings or other infrastructure you're shooting at in order to prevent fratricide.

          In a video game, when you get shot, your health drops from 100 to 50 and you grab a medkit and move on. In real life, you're dead or dying. And then the guy beside you has to screw around trying to keep you alive instead of suppressing enemy fire. Next thing you know, the enemy seizes the opportunity given to him by the lull in fire and outmaneuvers your entire element.

          Game over -- and there's no reset button.

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            This is a sensitive issue and I despise hearing that our Constitution is outdated and that when it was written, we were using muskets so our forefathers would not have a clue on how automatic/assault weapons would have become a detriment to society and a main reason for mass killings.

            I am not going to even debate that how much violence has subsided since our days of the wild west.

            Granted, Newtown was a travesty and no parent wants to get news that their children were killed by a madman; regardless if the weapon used was a knife, bomb or chokehold. But I can tell you, I grew up in Spanish Harlem and the South Bronx where I witnessed murders and saw our youth (blacks and hispanics) killed on a monthly basis. I saw my first shoot-out at five years old. I have lost friends at a young age due to gun violence and now because this has impacted another small, middle to rich class town, does the debate get re-spawned and garner national attention.

            The primary issue to the problem is background checks and mental illness. I have been around weapons (illegal but most legal) all my life. Three deployments carrying my weapon 24/7 and yes; I know about the mentally-ill Soldier that killed people in Iraq so the point is that nobody will be free from harms-way as long as weapons are a part of society. And they will always will.

            A madman will kill people regardless if it is with a assault rifle or other means. The largest mass-killing of children happened in the 1920s by a man who placed a bomb in a school. Now I know bombs are not easy to get or make than arms but you can still go online and build a bomb in no time. Look at the former Soldier who did the Oklahoma bombing.

            I left a blue state and lived in many red states and now in a pseudo blue state (Colorado) but yet that state condones marijuana and had a weapons bans at the movie theater for the Colorado shooter. But, it is very easy to get a CCW in Colorado with vast reciprocity in other states. I like it here.

            Even if I was not aged and turned conservate/libertarian and left my forced democratic beliefs in New York; I will always believe in gun rights. There has been more positive than negative with this freedom. In this day and age, use the internet wisely in controlling who gets the arms and start being strict again with people with mental issues.
            Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; January 30th, 2013, 07:20 PM.

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              Re: Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

              Originally posted by jwarren View Post
              This is a ridiculous statement.

              Handling a game controller and handling an actual firearm are two totally different things. The aiming reticle on your TV does not shake. Your goggles and helmet are not slipping down over your face. There is no sweat dripping into your eyes as you're squinting to positively identify a target. The controller does not kick. It does not jam. Its sling does not get caught on your gear or other objects. You aren't in a contorted position in which you have to struggle to reach your magazine pouches. You don't have to worry about the construction of the buildings or other infrastructure you're shooting at in order to prevent fratricide.

              In a video game, when you get shot, your health drops from 100 to 50 and you grab a medkit and move on. In real life, you're dead or dying. And then the guy beside you has to screw around trying to keep you alive instead of suppressing enemy fire. Next thing you know, the enemy seizes the opportunity given to him by the lull in fire and outmaneuvers your entire element.

              Game over -- and there's no reset button.
              Sorry about that, LT. That was supposed to be "willl not train you". You don't need to tell me any of that.

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                Re: Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

                Originally posted by jwarren View Post
                This is a ridiculous statement.

                Handling a game controller and handling an actual firearm are two totally different things. The aiming reticle on your TV does not shake. Your goggles and helmet are not slipping down over your face. There is no sweat dripping into your eyes as you're squinting to positively identify a target. The controller does not kick. It does not jam. Its sling does not get caught on your gear or other objects. You aren't in a contorted position in which you have to struggle to reach your magazine pouches. You don't have to worry about the construction of the buildings or other infrastructure you're shooting at in order to prevent fratricide.

                In a video game, when you get shot, your health drops from 100 to 50 and you grab a medkit and move on. In real life, you're dead or dying. And then the guy beside you has to screw around trying to keep you alive instead of suppressing enemy fire. Next thing you know, the enemy seizes the opportunity given to him by the lull in fire and outmaneuvers your entire element.

                Game over -- and there's no reset button.
                Have you PLAYED Battlefield 3? I can't shoot my Abrams in a damn building without it collapsing and killing friendlies.

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                  Re: Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

                  Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
                  (Not sure if you're posting this for information sake or interested in a discussion)

                  All sound good to me except #5 because every single incident likes to point to the entertainment industry. Ironic considering tax dollars went toward funding a game called America's Army, which the Army proudly promoted and distributed to anybody and everybody. While it wasn't as graphic as any Call of Duty title, it still provided 2 teams shooting each other as entertainment. The military also regularly works in collaboration with video game developers.

                  I also don't buy the study because it is very short term. "Oh my gosh, 3 days of playing video games has clearly created monsters out of these subjects."

                  In the end, everyone is looking for something to blame...except themselves or humanity as a whole.
                  There is some decent research out that does say video games/media does desensitize people to violence or how they react to violence. On a quick thread jack, the FBI did a study of police officers shot. They found if the officers fell after being shot, the officers responded that's what they thought they were supposed to do (like in the movies) instead fighting through it.

                  The glaring issue that keeps being ignored, is our mental health system.

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                    I really get frustrated with this common theme currently in the great US of A. Take my rights in return for some perceived safety. I have found normal people willing to do this without batting an eye. No refusal weekends for sobriety blood checks, protection from illegal searches-police dogs, wire tapping, and now more gun regulations.
                    The saddest part in my opinion, is you can't even discuss these unconstitutional laws with people because they don't even want to think about it. They are more interested in what is happening on the latest reality show.

                    Bry

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                    • #11
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                      Jesus pointed out that out of the heart comes all moral filth. This is why he instructs to above all to guard your heart. From a chaplain candidate perspective unjustified violence is a spiritual problem, with spiritual connections, roots, and remedies.

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                        Originally posted by Mr_Loki View Post
                        Have you PLAYED Battlefield 3? I can't shoot my Abrams in a damn building without it collapsing and killing friendlies.
                        I seriously snorted water out of my nose when I read this.....At least I can rack a Helo pilot at 2k+ meters with my SVD >.<

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                          Re: Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

                          Originally posted by Chaplain4me View Post
                          Jesus pointed out that out of the heart comes all moral filth. This is why he instructs to above all to guard your heart. From a chaplain candidate perspective unjustified violence is a spiritual problem, with spiritual connections, roots, and remedies.
                          Real talk. Some people need Jesus in their lifes. STAT.

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