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  • #16
    Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

    No problem. But all my deployments have been while serving on active duty. When I left the Guard, my former unit then deployed to Kuwait in a force protection mission even though it was a Personnel Services Detachment. That was 2004.

    The Guard, Reserves and Active Army make up the total Army so I try to sway away from the term "Guard involvement" because as long as the US is involved in hostilities across the pond; the Guard will be involved side by side with its US Army family and will probably be involved in other missions in Europe as well.

    My current deployment is only for 9 months and I am supposed to have 24 months of dwell time that I will not deploy. Anything can happen but again; Afghanistan is supposed to end in December 2014 will a non-combat role starting next year. I do not get involved in what-ifs because I been involved in many changes so I just roll with the punches.

    There are some states and units that have only deployed once since GWOT started. That is why I said do not get wrapped on when and where you might deploy. Just understand as a soldier period that is not flagged to not deploy; you can deploy at a moments notice.

    1) About your question one; someone can answer that question. But in my case, I been taking master courses for years and deployed. I am currently still working on them while I head to theater. So it depends on your contract if you have that option that you are taking classes and will not deploy based on that.

    2) I do not know. But the ones that I know and see that work in garrison and deploy gain a wealth of experience and then move on to other positions. But again, I am talking active duty.

    3) A Guard officer or officer strength manager can answer that question.

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    • #17
      Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

      Originally posted by isteyr View Post
      Along with OTHER questions i have, none of you answered these.....

      1.) Education is important to the military, and from others in the service and non-service, they said typically they do not touch you for deployment if you are in school. So what are your opinions on that?

      2.) What type of experience would you see as an Adjutant General or Finance Officer in the Guard?

      3.) Finally, when commissioning into the Guard, what is the common terms of the contract when looking at the length of service? I know it's 8 years of course, but do i commission in my job for 4 years then the remainder in IRR? Please someone explain the terms to me.

      Thank you for all your great help. I appreciate the time you are taking to answer my questions.
      It's hard to quantify the likelihood of getting into a TIC in a combat zone as there are way too many variables, namely we just can't reliable pick the moment when an enemy will typically attack - if we could it would be easier to wipe them all out. We know what they do when they decide to engage, but knowing when they are going to set something up is by and large unknown. Sometimes we went 2 weeks without activity from the enemy, other times something would dust up every day - it just depends.

      In terms of a logie/admin soldier being on a patrol and getting engaged? In my experience most of the admin folks flew around theater as required - occasionally movement by air isn't possible, but as an admin or finance or jag soldier you're typically not going to be FOB hopping. By my observations, the admin folks generally hang at a big FOB and provide support electronically and/or the warfighters come to you.

      Maybe that provides some additional detail about the deployment stuff for you.

      1. Education - it's not true that you're immune from getting pulled for deployment because you are in school. If you are MOS qualified it can happen unless you have an education first contract. My unit pulled a number of kids out of school to deploy because we needed them. Some of the college first kids exercised that option. Simply being enrolled is not going to shield you though. The military only cares about your education if it doesn't interfer with the needs of the mission #realtalk

      2. I'm not sure I understand the question...as an AG you're a human resources specialist. You might be on a battalion staff providing support for processing personnel actions, or maybe a higher echelon of command doing the same types of things. As a finance officer you're managing finance operations - you might run the finance office in theater which does things like provide cash, support for pay issues, contracting/FOO Funds, stuff like that. From a deployment standpoint, its likely your job would resemble an 8 - 5 kind of schedule. Civil Affairs, when I was deployed, was outside the wire A LOT. Those guys are the most at risk of getting into it with the enemy since you're constantly in the field working with locals.

      3). I have no idea.

      Hopefully that helps, please keep in mind most everyone that is answering your questions is providing antecdotal evidence based on observations and experience, not with first hand knowledge as officers/soldiers in the branches you're asking about.

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      • #18
        Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

        Originally posted by isteyr View Post

        Along with OTHER questions i have, none of you answered these.....

        1.) Education is important to the military, and from others in the service and non-service, they said typically they do not touch you for deployment if you are in school. So what are your opinions on that?

        2.) What type of experience would you see as an Adjutant General or Finance Officer in the Guard?

        3.) Finally, when commissioning into the Guard, what is the common terms of the contract when looking at the length of service? I know it's 8 years of course, but do i commission in my job for 4 years then the remainder in IRR? Please someone explain the terms to me.

        Thank you for all your great help. I appreciate the time you are taking to answer my questions.
        Any attempt to quantify the likelihood of getting into a TIC is a waste of time. We know what the enemy will do when they attack, but we cannot reliably predict when they will attack. If we could, the warfighters would spend a lot more time setting up counter ambushes and we'd be able to wipe these guys out a lot easier.

        My experience with Finance/Jag/AG guys is that they typically sit on a big FOB and support the operations of their specialities from the FOB - they aren't usually traveling the battle space. When they do, it's by air. The ground pounders will come to you quite frequently as well because sometimes it's easier to go to the mega-FOB for resupply than it is to get a logpac to your position. Moving by air greatly reduces the chances of getting hit, IMO, but anytime you're outside the wire it's possible.

        As for your questions:

        1. Education is only important to the military until they need you. If you're MOS qualified and get mobilized you can apply for a hardship, but I wouldn't build a lifeplan around it. Fact is, my old unit took a bunch of college kids out of school to deploy - needs of the mission. The unit I command now also took a bunch of kids out of school to deploy at the same time - needs of the mission. Those two units are not unique in pulling kids out of school. The only college kids that didn't go on deployment were kids with a college-first contract that allowed them to opt out of deploying.

        2. As an AG officer, you'd be the HR advisor to a BN or larger size element, most likely. Your staff will process all the assorted paperwork that is required to support a unit. You'll more than likely sit on a FOB where your unit HQ is and process stuff remotely. You might have to go out to support outlying units, but it's equally or more likely that they'll come to you. Hours are probably as close to 'banker's' hours as you'll see. With the Finance stuff, you'll probably work at the finance office on a mega fob. The office will do various things like help soldiers make changes to pay allotments, get cash withdrawals/advances, handle the contracting and foo operations for the post, etc. Also likely to have bankers hours. There are other things you might do in either career field, but I didn't see AGs/Finance Officers doing much other than this on my deployment.

        3. I can't help you - I have no idea.

        At some point you mentioned Civil Affairs - those guys are outside the wire a lot in my experience, usually working closely with a battle-space owner (ie., Combat Arms unit) to do CA stuff with the locals. You're potential for enemy contact is significantly higher doing CA than anything else you've mentioned.

        Lastly, keep in mind these notes are antecdotal, like most of the other information you've gotten here. I'm not a logie/admin officer so I'm only able to provide my opinion and observations.

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        • #19
          Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

          Originally posted by Chris36 View Post
          The sarcasm is absolutely uncalled for, especially towards a commissioned officer or anyone attempting to assist you on this forum.

          We are trying to clarify what part of your question we have missed answering; for 4 different threads you have asked the SAME thing and each time it has been aswered (you're lucky, usually the answer the OP will get is to not ask the same question in multiple threads).

          If you you are trying to emphasize a different question, please clarify, otherwise it seems that it is you that is being redundant with your line of questioning.

          The deployment question that you have asked, repeatedly, has been answered repeatedly.

          What OTHER questions might you have?
          I'm guilty of sarcasm myself so I didn't take any offense to it. My unit culture is much more relaxed and rank plays less of a role than the competence of the individual soldier. We value good ideas from anyone from an E-1 to an O-3, not the rank we wear on our chest.

          I think the original poster needs to have more focused questions after doing some of his own research. I understand that the process and decision to enlist is not one to be taken lightly and naturally he will have many questions.

          Originally posted by isteyr View Post
          Slick thank you so much. In terms of experience of deployment that was a great answer to what I was looking for. And with your last post with the "2 years no deployment" and you said to get my priorities right, my priorities is ROTC which is why i'm non-deployable. Also Slick here a question directed towards you, I don't see myself deployable until atleast for another 3 years, and by that what is your opinion in terms of US military involvement and Guard involvement in the middle east in 2015 or 16?

          The last post I wrote had no sarcasm present in it so I am sorry if it is taken like that. And I for one am being redundant because I was hoping to get more opinions from others with experience in my particular field. Yet most answers state that I will deploy which I knew from the beginning. Some jobs deploy more than others and I wanted someone with experience of having work in Finance or Adjutant General or Military Intelligence (that might be a new one i could look into) as a Officer to give me some information that would benefit me. Most answers I receive are ones of "Oh if you don't want to deploy and are worried do not join." or answers that don't give me clear evidence of what exactly the job title entails. And the reason I had made other posts is to increase the likelihood of getting a variety of answers from personnel in the fields I highlighted. Not get the same answer from the same people in each thread post and getting unnecessary comments when I could be discussing something actually important that answers my questions that again reflects back to the last post that was supposedly "sarcastic".

          My apology to any individuals I may have insulted with my remarks. If i have, that of course is not my intention. You should know that. It is a clear miscommunication on my part for you being clear enough and provide more reasoning toward my questions.

          Along with OTHER questions i have, none of you answered these.....

          1.) Education is important to the military, and from others in the service and non-service, they said typically they do not touch you for deployment if you are in school. So what are your opinions on that?

          2.) What type of experience would you see as an Adjutant General or Finance Officer in the Guard?

          3.) Finally, when commissioning into the Guard, what is the common terms of the contract when looking at the length of service? I know it's 8 years of course, but do i commission in my job for 4 years then the remainder in IRR? Please someone explain the terms to me.

          Thank you for all your great help. I appreciate the time you are taking to answer my questions.
          The reason people may not have answered is because they may know know the CORRECT answer, in which case it's better to not answer than to answer and provide you with the wrong guidance.

          1. If you are a contracted cadet for ROTC, you will not be deployed. They generally do not like to deploy you if you are a ROTC cadet regardless. If that's not the case, I cannot say that you will not be deployed.

          2. Exactly as how you imagined. There are a few threads on this forum where people debating branching choices.

          3. 6 years drilling time and whatever time is left in your 8 year MSO in the IRR.
          Last edited by Polo08816; March 1st, 2012, 12:26 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

            Originally posted by Polo08816 View Post
            I'm guilty of sarcasm myself so I didn't take any offense to it.

            I think the original poster needs to have more focused questions after doing some of his own research. I understand that the process and decision to enlist is not one to be taken lightly and naturally he will have many questions.
            I absolutely agree!

            It was read at 05:00 and whereas I expected to see questions rephrased, I read "the ones with the question marks".

            I apologize for MY pre-java curtness.

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            • #21
              Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

              Isteyr,

              I came into the Guard as a 09S. That means I joined to go through officer candidate school (OCS). I was non-deployable the entire time I was in the OCS program and continue to be non-deployable until I finish BOLC (Basic Officer Leadership Class or AIT for officers).

              My contract (and ROTC could be different) states that I will complete 6 years on a drilling status and then 2 more years on IRR. My understanding is that if you are in the ROTC program then you are non-deployable until you have finished the program and gone through BOLC. I stress though, I have never done ROTC and never even looked into it, this is what I have heard from my counterparts that did go through it. Once you are done with BOLC, as an officer you are deployable, whether in school or not (unless your contract states otherwise). Some put their education on hold till they get back, others take online classes while deployed so that they can stay on track with their degree program. That is more of a personal choice.

              My little brother almost went Military Intelligence, and he would have been spending a lot of time with locals when deployed, but that was specific to his job. Something to keep in mind, your original MOS lasts till your Captain (3 to 4 years), but then in your captain career course you should pick something that is different from your original commissioning course. Broadens your knowledge and overall experience as you go up the ranks.

              Hopefully this helps answer some of your questions.

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              • #22
                Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

                Originally posted by Portree228 View Post
                Isteyr,

                I came into the Guard as a 09S. That means I joined to go through officer candidate school (OCS). I was non-deployable the entire time I was in the OCS program and continue to be non-deployable until I finish BOLC (Basic Officer Leadership Class or AIT for officers).

                My contract (and ROTC could be different) states that I will complete 6 years on a drilling status and then 2 more years on IRR. My understanding is that if you are in the ROTC program then you are non-deployable until you have finished the program and gone through BOLC. I stress though, I have never done ROTC and never even looked into it, this is what I have heard from my counterparts that did go through it. Once you are done with BOLC, as an officer you are deployable, whether in school or not (unless your contract states otherwise). Some put their education on hold till they get back, others take online classes while deployed so that they can stay on track with their degree program. That is more of a personal choice.

                My little brother almost went Military Intelligence, and he would have been spending a lot of time with locals when deployed, but that was specific to his job. Something to keep in mind, your original MOS lasts till your Captain (3 to 4 years), but then in your captain career course you should pick something that is different from your original commissioning course. Broadens your knowledge and overall experience as you go up the ranks.

                Hopefully this helps answer some of your questions.
                I believe you could attend a Captain's Career Course as a 1LT. However, I'm not sure if it's limited to just 1LT(P) or simply all 1LT are eligible.

                Regardless, the more important question is whether your state will pay for it or not.

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                • #23
                  Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

                  In my state they said I should wait until I made the rank of CPT before going to the Career Course. I am a ways from that, so I haven't looked into the details on it yet. But within the next year I will begin solidying that so I am ready either way.

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                  • #24
                    Re: What is the total number of years commissioning into the National Guard?

                    These boards are killing me - glitchy, admin approvals required, etc. I apologize for the double posts.

                    I'm pretty sure cadets are non-deployable because they NDMOSQ for ANYTHING. Even if a cadet is prior service, once they transfer into cadet land I believe they won't deploy. I'm not sure how that works if you are SMP, and obviously you are deployable if drilling/MOSQ in a unit and attending school full time.

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