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    I'll try to keep this brief while stating what happened without the drama. I graduated basic. During basic i injured myself close to graduation. I pushed through the pain so i could graduate. Before i shipped to AIT i went to sick hall because i could not raise my left arm above my shoulder. They put me in physical therapy and i became a holdover. After 2 mo of being unresponsive to the physical therapy they finally gave me x-ray and a MRI. After consulting with a surgeon on base they told me my MRI showed i had possible arthritis at the tip of my clavicle. They (physical therapy and the surgeon) recommended that since i graduated there was no need for me to hang around the base since this injury could take up to 6 months to heal and may require surgery, wanted to give me a steroid shot and REFRAD me. I agreed. Got a LOD for my care outside of training. After 2 mo of rest and a shot my shoulder wasn't feeling any better, went to an orthopedic surgeon and after a review of my treatment and MRI recommended i have surgery. I had the surgery, felt immediately better, recovered quickly (3 months) have full range of motion went to RSP drills where i passed my pt test at AIT standards. RSP tells me they need to submit my paperwork back to MEPS so i can continue my training. Well MEPS has permanently dq'd me from service without a recommendation of a waiver. I submitted all my DR's and PT charts all of which shows i have fully recovered from this injury, including a letter from the surgeon stating i could return to full duty and MEPS still said no. MY RSP unit has submitted a wavier for me to NGB but how will they look at it if MEPS doesn't recommend a waiver but my surgeon says im good to go??? Is there any appeal process?? Is there anything i can do?

    Thank you for the help.

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    Re: Waiver for AIT.

    Originally posted by Warpath View Post
    I'll try to keep this brief while stating what happened without the drama. I graduated basic. During basic i injured myself close to graduation. I pushed through the pain so i could graduate. Before i shipped to AIT i went to sick hall because i could not raise my left arm above my shoulder. They put me in physical therapy and i became a holdover. After 2 mo of being unresponsive to the physical therapy they finally gave me x-ray and a MRI. After consulting with a surgeon on base they told me my MRI showed i had possible arthritis at the tip of my clavicle. They (physical therapy and the surgeon) recommended that since i graduated there was no need for me to hang around the base since this injury could take up to 6 months to heal and may require surgery, wanted to give me a steroid shot and REFRAD me. I agreed. Got a LOD for my care outside of training. After 2 mo of rest and a shot my shoulder wasn't feeling any better, went to an orthopedic surgeon and after a review of my treatment and MRI recommended i have surgery. I had the surgery, felt immediately better, recovered quickly (3 months) have full range of motion went to RSP drills where i passed my pt test at AIT standards. RSP tells me they need to submit my paperwork back to MEPS so i can continue my training. Well MEPS has permanently dq'd me from service without a recommendation of a waiver. I submitted all my DR's and PT charts all of which shows i have fully recovered from this injury, including a letter from the surgeon stating i could return to full duty and MEPS still said no. MY RSP unit has submitted a wavier for me to NGB but how will they look at it if MEPS doesn't recommend a waiver but my surgeon says im good to go??? Is there any appeal process?? Is there anything i can do?

    Thank you for the help.
    It sounds like your Cadre is on the right track with the appeal process. Is there a narrative reason MEPS gave for DQ'ing you? If you are healed with complete range of motion and the problem (I'm assuming) will not be re-occurring, I'm curious to know why you are not being considered for AIT.
    Last edited by RyCass; October 16th, 2012, 09:23 AM.

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      Re: Waiver for AIT.

      Originally posted by Warpath View Post
      I'll try to keep this brief while stating what happened without the drama. I graduated basic. During basic i injured myself close to graduation. I pushed through the pain so i could graduate. Before i shipped to AIT i went to sick hall because i could not raise my left arm above my shoulder. They put me in physical therapy and i became a holdover. After 2 mo of being unresponsive to the physical therapy they finally gave me x-ray and a MRI. After consulting with a surgeon on base they told me my MRI showed i had possible arthritis at the tip of my clavicle. They (physical therapy and the surgeon) recommended that since i graduated there was no need for me to hang around the base since this injury could take up to 6 months to heal and may require surgery, wanted to give me a steroid shot and REFRAD me. I agreed. Got a LOD for my care outside of training. After 2 mo of rest and a shot my shoulder wasn't feeling any better, went to an orthopedic surgeon and after a review of my treatment and MRI recommended i have surgery. I had the surgery, felt immediately better, recovered quickly (3 months) have full range of motion went to RSP drills where i passed my pt test at AIT standards. RSP tells me they need to submit my paperwork back to MEPS so i can continue my training. Well MEPS has permanently dq'd me from service without a recommendation of a waiver. I submitted all my DR's and PT charts all of which shows i have fully recovered from this injury, including a letter from the surgeon stating i could return to full duty and MEPS still said no. MY RSP unit has submitted a wavier for me to NGB but how will they look at it if MEPS doesn't recommend a waiver but my surgeon says im good to go??? Is there any appeal process?? Is there anything i can do?

      Thank you for the help.
      This is really weird....I have the SAME thing occurring, I mean the EXACT same thing, but I have a torn tendon in my arm. I do not have an LOD, only went to civilian doctors. My family practioner said I needed surgery (without looking at x-rays or an MRI), my NCOIC submitted it to MEPS, PDQ came down but mine says "needs surgical release for waiver". My NCOIC says I will be discharged as I am too close to my 24 month cut off (AND I am NOW over the age limit to re-enlist)

      So I went to an orthopedic surgeon, a 17 year elbow specialist and he tells me I don't need surgery unless I 'want it' for some reason, and he will write a letter to MEPS stating it is unnecessary and my family doctor was way off base.

      I tell my NCOIC I do NOT need surgery, if we can re-submit to MEPS and what COA is there? He says "the course of action will be to process your discharge"....
      Sooooooo, I wish you good luck, but with the draw-down and the rate and/or likelihood of waivers right now?? And you didn't complete AIT yet?

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        Re: Waiver for AIT.

        Originally posted by RyCass View Post
        It sounds like your Cadre is on the right track with the appeal process. Is there a narrative reason MEPS gavie for DQ'ing you? If you are healed with complete range of motion and the problem (I'm assuming) will not be re-occurring, I'm curious to know why you are not being considered for AIT.
        Me too. I asked my cadre why they rejected me, they told me they didn't know why. Just that they had and it didn't make any sense to them. Which is why they're pushing for a waiver. My surgery (Mumford procedure) was pretty easy and a scope prior to surgery showed no muscle or rotator cuff damage. I'm worried what their pushback is. I want to do this so bad and have worked hard to get back in shape I just don't want to get turned away when I'm this close.

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          Re: Waiver for AIT.

          Originally posted by Warpath View Post
          Me too. I asked my cadre why they rejected me, they told me they didn't know why. Just that they had and it didn't make any sense to them. Which is why they're pushing for a waiver. My surgery (Mumford procedure) was pretty easy and a scope prior to surgery showed no muscle or rotator cuff damage. I'm worried what their pushback is. I want to do this so bad and have worked hard to get back in shape I just don't want to get turned away when I'm this close.
          What kind of surgical procedure did you have done? More specifically, what did they do to your clavicle? I'm looking a little closer at the Medical Standards (DoDi 6130.03) and it states that there are certain procedures or "history of"circumstances that can disqualify you. Now, this doesn't mean a waiver isn't worth pursuing, especially since you are fully functional now. This just might shed some light on why MEPS DQ'd you.

          Feel free to send a PM if you don't feel comfortable discussing your medical procedures publicly.

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            Re: Waiver for AIT.

            Originally posted by RyCass View Post
            What kind of surgical procedure did you have done? More specifically, what did they do to your clavicle? I'm looking a little closer at the Medical Standards (DoDi 6130.03) and it states that there are certain procedures or "history of"circumstances that can disqualify you. Now, this doesn't mean a waiver isn't worth pursuing, especially since you are fully functional now. This just might shed some light on why MEPS DQ'd you.

            Feel free to send a PM if you don't feel comfortable discussing your medical procedures publicly.
            First of all, Thank you for your time and effort on this. I had the Mumford procedure done. I had 1mm shaved off the tip of my clavicle. No ligaments or muscles needed to be repaired. None were cut. They go under all that and can access the clavicle from underneath. How heavy of a weight is it when meps doesn't recommend a waiver?
            Last edited by Warpath; October 16th, 2012, 06:46 PM.

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              Re: Waiver for AIT.

              Originally posted by Warpath View Post
              First of all, Thank you for your time and effort on this. I had the Mumford procedure done. I had 1mm shaved off the tip of my clavicle. No ligaments or muscles needed to be repaired. None were cut. They go under all that and can access the clavicle from underneath. How heavy of a weight is it when meps doesn't recommend a waiver?
              I'm glad to help!

              Ok, so I can't find anything specifically about this particular procedure or anything specifically on the clavicle region. In general, all I can find is this:

              "d. Current or history of osteoarthritis (715.3) or traumatic arthritis (716.1) of isolated joints
              that has interfered with a physically active lifestyle, or that prevents the satisfactory performance
              of military duty."

              This may be what MEPS is looking at. There's other passages that refer to range of motion limitation, chronic weakness of the extremity, or injuries that require ongoing treatment as disqualifiers. Based on what you've posted, I'm not seeing where these are relevant. In summation, I'm not seeing anything jump out as "the reason" you were disqualified.

              In any case, MEPS does hold a lot of weight in determining if you are medically eligible to enlist. I believe NGB is the next level to appeal, but I'm still learning about this process so perhaps someone can chime in on this. Ultimately, get all your medical documentation together and work closely with your RSP Cadre. Hope the waiver process goes through for you! Keep us posted.

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                Re: Waiver for AIT.

                I hope things work out for you but it wasn't it unexpected that you get injured at BCT (and MEPS could not foresee that you will get a shoulder injury). You say you are ok now due to your surgery but what IF something similar happens at AIT? Investing in a soldier is time and money and when you cause delays in the process (and I know that is not fault on your part); then see it from the military standpoint or finding a suitable candidate to replace you. Similar to professional sports.

                You did not even made it out the front gate (which I see it as the completion of AIT) and already have become a physical liability to the military.

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                  Re: Waiver for AIT.

                  Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                  I hope things work out for you but it wasn't it unexpected that you get injured at BCT (and MEPS could not foresee that you will get a shoulder injury). You say you are ok now due to your surgery but what IF something similar happens at AIT? Investing in a soldier is time and money and when you cause delays in the process (and I know that is not fault on your part); then see it from the military standpoint or finding a suitable candidate to replace you. Similar to professional sports.

                  You did not even made it out the front gate (which I see it as the completion of AIT) and already have become a physical liability to the military.
                  Thank you. I can definitely see where your coming from sir. and trust me no one is more disappointed than me with this injury. I understand that they have to weigh the risk vs investment equation. I'm not a fortune teller and I can't stand here and tell you i'll never get hurt again, no one can. After several discussions with my surgeon the likelihood of that happening again is very low. I do understand that if i step back and look at this in black and white, that it doesn't bode well for me. My hope is that my state thought enough of me and my post-op results to push for a waiver that it might factor in their consideration towards a positive outcome. I do thank you for your insight on this sir.
                  Last edited by Warpath; October 17th, 2012, 03:49 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Waiver for AIT.

                    Originally posted by RyCass View Post
                    I'm glad to help!

                    Ok, so I can't find anything specifically about this particular procedure or anything specifically on the clavicle region. In general, all I can find is this:

                    "d. Current or history of osteoarthritis (715.3) or traumatic arthritis (716.1) of isolated joints
                    that has interfered with a physically active lifestyle, or that prevents the satisfactory performance
                    of military duty."

                    This may be what MEPS is looking at. There's other passages that refer to range of motion limitation, chronic weakness of the extremity, or injuries that require ongoing treatment as disqualifiers. Based on what you've posted, I'm not seeing where these are relevant. In summation, I'm not seeing anything jump out as "the reason" you were disqualified.

                    In any case, MEPS does hold a lot of weight in determining if you are medically eligible to enlist. I believe NGB is the next level to appeal, but I'm still learning about this process so perhaps someone can chime in on this. Ultimately, get all your medical documentation together and work closely with your RSP Cadre. Hope the waiver process goes through for you! Keep us posted.

                    I will, thank you. The waiting is the worst part. Living with the regret of getting hurt and the desire to do this is miserable.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Waiver for AIT.

                      Originally posted by Warpath View Post
                      I will, thank you. The waiting is the worst part. Living with the regret of getting hurt and the desire to do this is miserable.
                      It sounds like you've got a small chance yet, so stay positive! Keep us posted.

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