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    I read an article about how soldiers coming back from war have a hard time going back to being civilian cops. They are too brutal or uncaring to things like dog poop in yard issues after seeing combat.

    http://www.whas11.com/news/local/89081457.html

    PADUCAH, Ky. (AP) A Kentucky National Guardsman who was fired from his job as a police officer in western Kentucky after returning from Iraq has filed a lawsuit over the dismissal.

    Former Princeton police officer Jason Key alleges in the federal lawsuit against the city that he was notified March 9 he was being terminated for insubordination, a charge he denies. The firing came nearly a year his return to work.

    The Paducah Sun reports that Key's lawyer acknowledged that before Key was fired, he had been put on administrative leave pending an investigation and formal charges. But the lawsuit contends the city didn't give a reason for the investigation or follow disciplinary procedure.

    Princeton Mayor Gale Cherry told the newspaper she hasn't received the lawsuit but said the termination was handled properly. She says the firing was an administrative dismissal for disciplinary reasons.

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    Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

    here it is.

    Police Coming Home From War With Combat Mentality

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n+%26+Texas%29

    MADISON, Wis. — Many law enforcement officers called up to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding it difficult to readjust to their jobs once home, bringing back heightened survival instincts that may make them quicker to use force and showing less patience toward the people they serve.

    In interviews with the Associated Press and in dozens of anecdotes compiled in a survey by the International Association of Chiefs of Police and the U.S. Bureau of Justice Assistance, officers described feeling compelled to use tactics they employed in war zones after they returned to work in the U.S.

    One officer said he felt compelled to fire his gun in the air to disperse an unruly crowd in California. Others said they felt they felt wary about being flanked when working crowd control. And others said after seeing the hardships ordinary Afghans and Iraqis lived with, it's hard to care about complaints over pet droppings.

    The report, which was issued late last year, warns that the blurring of the line between combat and confrontations with criminal suspects at home may result in “inappropriate decisions and actions — particularly in the use of ... force. This similarity ... could result in injury or death to an innocent civilian.”

    In two high-profile cases, officers blamed their overzealous use of force on complications from their military service.

    Opening fire during a chase
    Wayne Williamson, an Austin, Texas, police officer who served 18 months in Iraq, was fired in 2008 after he opened fire on a fleeing assault suspect in a crowded parking lot. A dispatcher had reported that the suspect was carrying a knife, but Williamson said he didn't see a weapon when he fired.

    None of the rounds hit their mark, but one struck a minivan with two children inside. They were not injured.

    Williamson told investigators he had been having trouble readjusting to some aspects of civilian life and that he had trouble differentiating between Iraq and Austin during the confrontation.

    “In Iraq, if a bad buy gets away, he could come back and blow you up or blow up someone who works with you,” Williamson told the AP. “You do everything you can to make sure the bad guy doesn't get away. ... I can't absolve myself of Iraq. How deeply it affected me, I don't know ... I'm not the same person who left.”

    His police chief didn't buy it, noting in the disciplinary records that Williamson hadn't previously showed signs of distress.

    On Friday, a former sheriff's sergeant who served in the Gulf War before leaving the Army 17 years ago was sentenced to 18 months in prison for repeatedly punching a handcuffed suspect in the face in the back of his squad car. Scott Krause, 38, has post-traumatic stress disorder and doesn't remember the incident, which was videotaped, Krause's psychotherapist told the judge at the sentencing hearing.

    Krause's former boss, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, said Krause never told his colleagues he was struggling.

    The survey was based on interviews with 53 law enforcement officers who had returned from serving in the National Guard or reserves, as well as written responses from 340 returned veterans and 112 police chiefs.

    Pace gets slower
    Laura Zimmerman, a psychologist who contributed to the study, said the irritability some respondents reported feeling with citizens back home stems from a sense that the stakes have been lowered. Officers have gone from helping build nations to writing speeding tickets, she said.

    “They've seen bigger problems now. Coming back to policing, the mission doesn't feel as critical,” she said. “Once you raise the bar, coming back down is just difficult. I think it's just that feeling of non-purpose here.”

    Todd Nehls, the sheriff of Dodge County, Wis., and a colonel in the Wisconsin National Guard, said that after spending a year stationed in Afghanistan, he's had less patience for small complaints back home. After seeing people go without electricity and walk miles for fresh water, he said, you quickly grow tired of citizens complaining about dogs urinating in their neighbor's lawn.

    Zimmerman said the urban nature of the Iraq war, as compared to the jungle warfare that dominated the Vietnam War, may have made it more difficult for some returning officers to adjust to urban life back home. She said examples like Williamson's shooting are rare, but that potential is there.

    “Now it is easier to muddle the environments,” Zimmerman said.

    The study's authors hope it will help law enforcement agencies develop protocols to help reintegrate the thousands of officers called up since the start of the war in Afghanistan.

    The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs offers no programs specifically for police officers, but many larger law enforcement agencies have started reintegration programs that include visits with psychologists, weapons refresher training and rides with trainers.

    The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, which lost 364 of its employees to deployment shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, began requiring returning deputies to go through weapons and driving refresher training and ride-alongs before returning to patrol.

    Jung Kim, a pyschologist who interviews every returning deputy as part of the department's reintegration program, said many report having trouble sleeping, feeling safe on patrol in their squad cars.

    “(Overseas) they go over medians and bump cars in front of them to get them out of the way,” Kim said. “Obviously you can't do that.”

    Clarke, the Milwaukee County sheriff, said the squad car beating has led him to look into how other agencies deal with returning veterans. He said it's important that returning officers find the strength to talk openly about their problems.

    “If the person doesn't develop that courage to say, ‘hey, I need help,' it's very difficult to help them before they reach a breaking point,” Clarke said.

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    • #3
      Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

      From what I'm reading...they come home and do their jobs better.

      Nothing like busting a cap to disperse a crowd. Respect "ah-thor-i-tah"...
      Last edited by California Major; March 25th, 2010, 06:00 PM.

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      • #4
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        firing into a van full of kids is doing a better job?

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        • #5
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          Right, so one mistake means we have to throw away his entire career of serving (homefront AND overseas).

          Im sure he meant to miss his target and hit a van with 2 kids in it. He's that evil. Was it the right choice to fire his weapon? Absolutely not, but I dont see the connection from shooting a .50 at a VBIED driving 50mph at you and a fleeing van on a public street in America with your 9mm.

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          • #6
            Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

            yes it means he can't be a cop anymore. He is not in the right frame of mind for the work. Maybe down the road he will recover.

            **edit** I meant to edit my post and accidently edited yours. Nothing was changed. Sorry. -Teuvil
            Last edited by Mr_Loki; March 25th, 2010, 06:12 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

              Okay, so we stick him in an cubicle so he can rot and go crazy, right? Or throw him in to construction so he can burn in the sun and be miserable. Let's just fire him and say, "good job, idiot and thanks for serving."

              I hate your arguements.

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              • #8
                Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

                Originally posted by Teuvil
                Okay, so we stick him in an cubicle so he can rot and go crazy, right? Or throw him in to construction so he can burn in the sun and be miserable. Let's just fire him and say, "good job, idiot and thanks for serving."

                I hate your arguements.
                bravo. very VERY well put and well said. Ashame they canned the cop.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

                  He could have killed 2 children. He was a liabilty to the department, they were lucky no lawsuits resulted. They had little choice.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

                    Originally posted by RandyB
                    He could have killed 2 children. He was a liabilty to the department, they were lucky no lawsuits resulted. They had little choice.
                    refer to Teuvil inital reply

                    Originally posted by Teuvil
                    Right, so one mistake means we have to throw away his entire career of serving (homefront AND overseas).

                    Im sure he meant to miss his target and hit a van with 2 kids in it. He's that evil. Was it the right choice to fire his weapon? Absolutely not, but I dont see the connection from shooting a .50 at a VBIED driving 50mph at you and a fleeing van on a public street in America with your 9mm.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

                      I have heard from Police Chiefs, from their very mouths, in NJ that they often prefer not to have Military Police join their police departments. Citing these exact things, he has had problems with over-aggressiveness and a lack of empathy for 'petty' civilian complaints he has with his current Military Policemen who have done tours.

                      Since we have a lot of towns which haven't had "real" crime in ages, and granny j-walking across the street is as serious as it gets sometimes - and they want softer, community policeman.

                      I think our 31B's in the Guard absolutely need some kind of help re-transitioning from one environment to another.It's difficult to go from where it is acceptable to perhaps, pull a person from the front seat of their car out of their window back to a place where someone can be foaming at the mouth in your face and screaming at you and you have to just listen and be empathetic.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

                        Originally posted by RandyB
                        He could have killed 2 children. He was a liabilty to the department, they were lucky no lawsuits resulted. They had little choice.
                        And I can kill 20 people when I am on the freeway but you don't take my car away. Punishment should fit the crime. He didnt harm anyone but put their lives at a greater risk so he should be counseled and maybe even put on restriction for a bit.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ky. guardsman fired from police force files suit

                          Originally posted by RandyB
                          He could have killed 2 children. He was a liabilty to the department, they were lucky no lawsuits resulted. They had little choice.
                          I think there could possibly be more to the story then what we are hearing. I mean I can't see it just being that alone.

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