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    Hello all,

    I am currently interested in an opportunity with the WA Army National Guard as an 18 series and had a few questions. I am going to contact a recruiter in the next couple days, but would like to have "all of my ducks in a row" before doing so. Before getting into some of the details regarding what I am seeking clarification on, I would like to provide a brief background because this is my first post on the forum (and it will provide some context for my inquiries).

    I joined the Air Force in 2004 after 18 rather unproductive months in junior (community) college and served 4 years as an active duty SERE Specialist. During the early period of my USAF enlistment, I did have some maturity issues which ultimately culminated with a DUI and Article 15 which caused me to be demoted to Amn from A1C. For the remainder of my enlistment (31 months), I was able to identify my shortcomings and improve my behavior. During this period, I became a top instructor in the squadron and won a few awards (Airman of the Month and Airman of the Quarter). My performance improved extensively that I could likely get a very strong letter of recommendation from the Squadron DO that gave me the Article 15 and shortly thereafter became Squadron Commander. After my incident, I was also able to complete m A.A.S., Bachelor's degree, and MBA.

    I was interested in the Blue to Green Program during the later part of my AF enlistment and performed a fair amount of research on the 11b, 19d, and 18 series career fields. Approximately 12 months before my enlistment was up, my wife and I became pregnant which cause me to backpedal from an Army transition. Upon the end of my service, I accepted a job as a Training Consultant with the Washington State Employment Security Department (ESD). After 9 months with ESD, I quickly tired of sitting behind a desk all day and accepted a position as a DoD contractor at the USAF SERE School on Fairchild AFB. I currently hold that position and have been quickly promoted during my tenure as a contractor.

    Other relevant information about myself includes:
    My DD214 has a reentry code of 1J and a separation code of MBK, so I believe
    that is a non-issue.
    I don't recall my exact score on the ASVAB, but I was near the 96% percentile.
    I don't have any major foreign language ability. I can understand pieces of
    German and Spanish, but not enough to effectively ccommunicate.
    During a self administered APFT, I scored myself at a 280 for the 17-21 age
    bracket. I also feel very comfortable rucking and navigating given my
    primary job since 2004.
    Finally, to the questions!

    1) I understand that A Co 1/19 SFG (which is the unit I am interested in) is highly selective with the candidates that they assign to SFAS. Based on the information that I have found, a prior service Soldier must enlist in the NG with another unit and hold an Army MOS before being considered for SF training. The path to SFAS through A Co 1/19 SFG (A) begins with a unit interview, based on what i have read, and approved candidates must perform satisfactorily during a 90 day attachment. Based on that information, I would assume that a SFAS guarantee cannot be written into a WA ARNG contract. However, is there any way to get the opportunity for the initial interview guaranteed? If not, how likely is it that a parent unit would be unwilling to permit a member (either brand new or at the least recent) to participate in the A Co assessment?

    2) Can my recruiter take care of any of the requirements prior to OSUT? This question is related to some of the administrative procedures rather than the PT requirements enforced by A Co. I would hate to make it through OSUT and a unit interview only to be ineligible due to findings during the SFAS/SFQC physical or DLPT.

    3). I have heard (I believe on the Professional Soldiers message board) that someone can enlist for SF training through the UT ARNG and transfer to any 19th SFG Unit, which would seem preferable because Utah allows individuals to go through an assessment before even signing a contract. However,... it would seem that this would be considered a back door entry (even if permitted) and might be frowned upon? I certainly wouldn't want to start a career with an SF unit in that manner. If it is frowned upon, would it still be worthwhile to attend Utah's assessment to possible develop at least a semblance of name recognition given favorable performance? I haven't seen a similar evaluation conducted in WA, but I would assume 19th Group Soldiers from Utah would talk to Soldiers from Buckley and say either, "we had a troop interested in your unit named xxx that a) did very well or b) was a worthless POS."

    4). Should I forego the traditional recruiter route and contact the Operations Sgt from Buckley directly? That seems to be the most recommended course of action I have came across through my research, but it seems to step a bit outside the bounds of a military chain. I have started filling out the Path to Honor Application (and individuals have been calling to discuss/figure out why I haven't finished), but unfortunately I got called out of town for work for since that time and have had very limited phone/Internet access. I plan on calling the Path to Honor line tomorrow and if they are able to answer these questions, I will update this thread.

    Thanks for any assistance you can provide!
    Last edited by Rustysurf83; April 9th, 2011, 10:13 AM.

  • #2
    Re: Prior service/interested in 19th Group

    Hmmm....I'm having trouble fixing that wall of text.


    • #3
      Re: Prior service/interested in 19th Group

      Thanks for taking care of that. Free bump for you. We do have a few individuals that are in this line of work. Be patient (since you DID post a lot of information) and they will respond.


      • #4
        Re: Prior service/interested in 19th Group

        I will send you a PM, to contact me directly.

        I am the Special Forces Rep for the National Guard and can get you on the right path.


        • #5
          Re: Prior service/interested in 19th Group

          38 year old glossary non prior service intent on volunteering with 19th SF-B 5/19, C 1/19, or C 5/19. Contacted state recruiter (Oklahoma) and was told 35 years of age was cap for prior service. Trying to ascertain correct information pertaining to 35 year old age cap that contradicts the 41 year old cap listed on this site under prior service army, and business rules AR 601-210 3-3 (b.) March 2011. Please advise...



          • #6
            Re: Prior service/interested in 19th Group

            This is the most up to date policy: PPOM 11-014 (Enlistment Policy Changes DAPE MPA), 7 March 2011; 1. 2a. Age:

            The maximum enlistment age is 35 for qualified personnel (non-prior service and prior service) who enlist into the Regular Army, Army Reserve and Army National Guard. Non-prior service personnel enlisting into the Regular Army must enter active duty and ship to training on or before their 35th birthday. Non prior service personnel enlisting into the Army Reserve or Army National Guard must be accessed into their respective component on or before their 35th birthday. Prior service personnel enlisting into the Regular or Reserve Components under this policy may enter active duty after age 35, if otherwise eligible based on prior Active or Reserve service com ****tion. Regular Army enlistees must be eligible for regular retirement by age 62. Reserve component enlistees must be eligible for non-regular retirement by age 60. As an exception, the maximum enlistment age for MOS 09L (Dari, Farsi, and Pashto) remain at 42 for the Regular and Reserve Components.

            So unless you have more than 3 years of prior service, you would be ineligible to reenlist.

            Plus, what was the reason for the glossary non-prior service discharge? That alone will more than likely disqualify you for Special Forces.


            • #7
              Re: Prior service/interested in 19th Group

              SF Hunter,

              Thank you for the clarification on the max age cap for re enlistment. I do not have 3 years time in service to qualify. DA Form 4707 C. Objective Findings: Effusion right knee with normal ligaments and intact joint. F. Disposition: Separation under AR 40-501 ch.2 2-10d(1). For what it's worth the structural integrity of my knee is normal and have not had any symptoms post 2003. I run 25 miles per week and ruck 12@ 50lbs. Thank you again.