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  • #16
    Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

    +1 to LT Orsini

    Honestly, I did chuckle with Phantom's carrier pigeon comment.

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by Mom's Mistake View Post
      That's a fact right there! If you can't call, text. If you can't text, email. If you can't email, send a letter. If you can't do that, find someone who can on your behalf. My unit is pretty uptight about keeping in communication. Even those who show up to drill late at no fault of their own get scolded for not having communicated of their situation prior to their arrival.
      Back when we were having snow storm spells, a specialist called to tell me the drill time was changed from 0645 to 0845. It sounded so fishy to me I immediately texted my NCO to confirm the change in time. She confirmed the change but I wasn't comfortable until she texted me back.

      I don't know about other drill sites but at my site they have a big dry erase board posted at the entrance--A total count column, a total present column, the total late column, and an AWOL column. They ain't playin'.

      I was researching my family tree in the basement of a public library when I stumbled upon military documents from the 1800's on one of my distant relatives. The guy was court marshalled and docked 3 months pay (a couple dollars) because he was caught asleep at his post. What a mortifying feeling to be known throughout eternity for being a fawk up? In defense of my family tree, though, everyone else had sense enough to retire with honor.

      On a side note: A friend of a friend's son was late reporting back to base at Ft. (undisclosed location)--He had to cool his heals in detention for some undisclosed amount of time. Hey, people. The military ain't playin'. They make a detailed record of everything you do whether it's honorable or dishonorable no matter how insignificant.
      Last edited by VICEROY06; February 23rd, 2011, 02:55 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

        Originally posted by VICEROY06 View Post
        I don't know about other drill sites but at my site they have a big dry erase board posted at the entrance--A total count column, a total present column, the total late column, and an AWOL column. They ain't playin'.
        Yeaaa buddy! lol. We have the Red One reports, and we sit in the office for upwards of an hour getting accountability for every single soldier. AWOLs, SUTAs, Late Soldiers, and Present are all marked and noted. (As a side note, I'm trying to create a spreadsheet to make it less time consuming. If anyone else is sitting in their offices working on these Red Ones for extended periods of time PM me and when I finish the spreadsheet I'll email it to you)

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        • #19
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          LT,

          Are these red reports similar to regular PERSTAT ones?

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          • #20
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            Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
            LT,

            Are these red reports similar to regular PERSTAT ones?
            Ummm, I would assume so. Its the initial report sent up Sat morning (or fri night depending on MUTA) tracking all Soldiers. It used to only be for Present and AWOL, but it has gotten to be more than that due to the suicide rate, SUTA's and such. Currently they(at least the units I've been in or sat in on meetings) have an exel spread sheet and go down the list with every name. However the lists normally include people we have never seen yet due to being in BCT/AIT, newly attached soldiers and such. So it's a long meeting trying to figure out who is where and why. It's absurd. Is it similar Sir?

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            • #21
              Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

              Those reports are done in a deployed environment and it sounded the same. The bottom line is that it is about accountability. I just seen so many staff officers re-invent the wheel at times; that is why i was asking.

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              • #22
                Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

                If it's anything similar to a PERSTAT then I have a year's worth of them I could send ya, lol.

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                  Those reports are done in a deployed environment and it sounded the same. The bottom line is that it is about accountability. I just seen so many staff officers re-invent the wheel at times; that is why i was asking.
                  Yea, LRSU dog was just talking to me about it in a PM too and I was telling him how I sit there baffled. It's just absurd to me how higher ups sit there and actually go through every name like that. There is DEF an easier way, and the way its being done is a waste of the already limited man hours we have.

                  Originally posted by RSP NCO View Post
                  If it's anything similar to a PERSTAT then I have a year's worth of them I could send ya, lol.
                  lol, no thank you! I already want to stab out my eyes from all of them I have

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                  • #24
                    Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

                    Originally posted by fmcityslicker View Post
                    I just seen so many staff officers re-invent the wheel at times
                    Everyone knows that a wheel can be made "more round, especially when planned in conjunction with a flex capacitor...

                    Back to subject, sort of: The use of initial counselling can help to keep this [accountabilty, commo, etc] from being a problem. During initial counselling I use a seperate sheet for Unit/Team standards, physical readiness and H/W, and drug policy (I am also a UPL) - not to create a mountain of paperwork, but the 3 counsellings recieved at that time cover the broad range of standards and requiremements and what will happen if these are not met. It also allows me to counsel the soldier without having one stacked convoluded sheet.

                    Commo and accountability are key apsects - and as I use all the blocks on the sheet (back and front) I work to ensure there are few if any missed points. Aside from this I also, as a leader, make a point that I will also keep in contact with the soldier (other than just a call the week of drill) but spell out the soldiers responsibilities.

                    Otherwise... there will be Smoke on the Water...

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                    • #25
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                      If the thought 'should I talk to my RSP / Cadre about 'insert life change here' happening' goes thru your head whatsoever then you should DO IT - there's no such thing as overcommunicating in that circumstance. Don't be a d u m m y.

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by alphamikefoxtrot View Post
                        If the thought 'should I talk to my RSP / Cadre about 'insert life change here' happening' goes thru your head whatsoever then you should DO IT - there's no such thing as overcommunicating in that circumstance. Don't be a d u m m y.
                        always let your chain of command i had the same life change lost my place to live and my phone got shut off i found one of my frends in the unit and contacted my recruter who not only gave me a place to live but found me work with his famaly and frends as well as outher members of the units cleaning gutters doing yard work fixing cars saved me from being on the street and im extremly thankful to him for that

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                        • #27
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                          This thread has been revived. I hope the OP is adjusting well. For some reason, this made me recall an incident of a AD soldier that went AWOL. He ended up turning himself in 6 months later......after the pay stop hitting his account lol. Finance did not stop this soldier's pay or the unit didnt drop him from the rolls properly.

                          But it just made me wonder if military pay would have been a factor for the OP. Everybody is on top of their matters when pay is involved and nobody is ever late to go on vacation (to catch that 0600am flight).

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                          • #28
                            Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

                            Originally posted by VICEROY06 View Post

                            I don't know about other drill sites but at my site they have a big dry erase board posted at the entrance--A total count column, a total present column, the total late column, and an AWOL column. They ain't playin'.
                            Holy ****! I thought my drill site was the only one that was this strict; glad to see it's not. The board is so intimidating but in a good way. The expectations are set from day one and you do NOT (obviously) want to be in the latter two columns. I don't think we've ever had any AWOLs (at least while I've been there)and very few late... When they are late, God help them... Heads roll.

                            But, to comment on the actual subject, I can't believe it took this guy that long to figure his **** out. We all have problems and it seems like he pretty much played up any excuse to not be able to contact someone. Seriously, you know at least ONE person with a car. Write a letter, have someone hand deliver it; mail it; use someone's phone to text/call; ask someone to drive you up your site; WALK to your site if you have to... From personal experience, if you are dedicated to something, no life problems will keep you away from it.

                            Honestly, I'd be shaking in my boots if I essentially went AWOL for numerous weeks and did nothing to contact anyone. It's just weird to me that people don't think this is a BIG DEAL.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Missed BCT Ship Date - Facing Discharge?

                              The only time heads roll in the morning is when someone brings a cup of starbucks into formation lol

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