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    With a college degree (bachelors), i was told I would start as a E-4, but would move up in rank quicker then someone without a college degree. How fast would I move up? What would need to be done for me to get a higher rank ? Is there a process ?

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    Re: College degree for moving up in rank

    Originally posted by RMK View Post
    With a college degree (bachelors), i was told I would start as a E-4, but would move up in rank quicker then someone without a college degree. How fast would I move up?
    Not that fast. You would move up as fast as all the other E-4s. You would get a few free points for having a Bachelor's degree, but all the other E-4s in your unit will have points for attending X number of drills and X number of ATs. You will probably make E-5 faster than the PFCs you graduate with at AIT will, but if you think you're going to show up to your unit and be an NCO before another SPC that's been with the unit for 6 years, you're not.

    Originally posted by RMK View Post
    What would need to be done for me to get a higher rank ? Is there a process ?
    The process is showing up and being a Specialist and doing Specialist stuff for a while. The thing about NCOs is that they're not only leaders, they're subject matter experts. The Howitzer Section Chief, for example, can take a cannon apart, tell you what each little piece does, and put it back together. That kind of stuff only comes with experience. You can't substitute a college degree for that kind of stuff. A SGT in any unit is a guy that can explain/instruct/supervise nearly everything at the team or squad level, you're not going to make that kind of position based on anything but being in the unit for a few years and proving yourself.

    Honestly, if you want to go directly into a leadership role, think about OCS.

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      Re: College degree for moving up in rank

      Originally posted by Lance13A View Post
      Not that fast. You would move up as fast as all the other E-4s. You would get a few free points for having a Bachelor's degree, but all the other E-4s in your unit will have points for attending X number of drills and X number of ATs. You will probably make E-5 faster than the PFCs you graduate with at AIT will, but if you think you're going to show up to your unit and be an NCO before another SPC that's been with the unit for 6 years, you're not.



      The process is showing up and being a Specialist and doing Specialist stuff for a while. The thing about NCOs is that they're not only leaders, they're subject matter experts. The Howitzer Section Chief, for example, can take a cannon apart, tell you what each little piece does, and put it back together. That kind of stuff only comes with experience. You can't substitute a college degree for that kind of stuff. A SGT in any unit is a guy that can explain/instruct/supervise nearly everything at the team or squad level, you're not going to make that kind of position based on anything but being in the unit for a few years and proving yourself.

      Honestly, if you want to go directly into a leadership role, think about OCS.
      I've heard that one quite a few times.

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      • #4
        Re: College degree for moving up in rank

        I would counter slightly that it DOES provide a certain edge over your non-degreed peers. Your college will continually be worth promotion points and I would anticipate that the propensity of you performing well is higher than other "less prepared" soldiers. There are time in service and time in grade minimums which will slow your progress. Anecdotally, I have a squad leader who made E-6 in just over 4 years (Came in as a E-4 with a degree from U Penn). He's been stuck at E-6 for awhile now though because he doesn't meet the time in service minimums to make E-7. Otherwise he would have already.

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          Re: College degree for moving up in rank

          Originally posted by Lance13A View Post
          Not that fast. You would move up as fast as all the other E-4s. You would get a few free points for having a Bachelor's degree, but all the other E-4s in your unit will have points for attending X number of drills and X number of ATs. You will probably make E-5 faster than the PFCs you graduate with at AIT will, but if you think you're going to show up to your unit and be an NCO before another SPC that's been with the unit for 6 years, you're not.
          Whether you join as an E-1 or E-4 has little bearing on how fast you make E-5 as E-1 through E-4 are mainly TIS oriented (though he will get some additional civilian ed points). There are many other factors that determine promotion to NCO ranks. I went from E-1 to E-5 in less than three years and made cutoff for E-6 at 4 years. I've also seen several people that joined as E-4's that were still E-4's ten years later.

          Originally posted by Lance13A View Post
          The thing about NCOs is that they're not only leaders, they're subject matter experts.
          WTF?! That's my title! Dey took errrr jobbbbss!!!!! (pathetic southpark quote of the day)
          Last edited by ack202; February 28th, 2013, 10:57 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: College degree for moving up in rank

            Tell him there's no flying sergeants anymore.

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