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    Good afternoon gentlemen (and ladies).

    I am in need of some opinions or a bit of sage advice and was hoping that you wizened vets might be able to offer a little guidance.

    Upon completion of my current Afghan mission I’ll be ETSing from Active Duty and will rejoin the ranks of the ARNG to fulfill my contract. I signed in 09 as Active First and have since been offered the option to reenlist with the RA but am still evaluating my options. At this time it would seem that my state (NJ) does not have slots for my current MOS(s) - Primary 14G Air Defense Battle Management System Operator; Secondary 14H Air Defense Enhanced Early Warning Systems Operator. My recruiter, with whom I have maintained contact with, has mentioned that it will not be an issue to reclass. While I have no qualms reclassing, I am concerned that the experience Ive gained over the last few years will go to waste.

    I am seeking an MOS or a branch that can somehow utilize my experience while enhancing my own (and eventually lead to that Holy Grail found in a contractor’s position). I’ve worked under the G3 and know the insides and out of the ADAM Cell, from the JOC floor to Sentinel site. Leading up to this deployment I went through the following courses/training:

    • Multi-Tactical Data Link Advanced Joint Interoperability Course, JT-102 and JT-101
    • Integrated C4I System Framework (ICSF) Workstation Operators Course
    • Command Post Platform Air Defense Airspace Management (ADAM) Version 6.4 Operator’s/Maintainer’s RESET Course (Huntsville, AL)
    • AN/MPQ-64A1 Improved Sentinel Operator Delta Training Course
    • Battle Command System: CPOF Operator Certification Program
    • FBCB2-BFT Leader Opnet Course
    • GCCS-A AJCS Workstation Operator Course

    I had figured the Aviation branch might be something to look into but apparently the only 15 series MOS slots available in NJ are 15W/E, both of which look appealing, but if there is a better option I’d be grateful for your suggestions. I currently possess a Secret clearance and 124 GT.

    I’ve also got a somewhat unrelated question regarding GS levels. USAjobs.gov has been a great time killer while downrange and all this GS level requirement is starting to concern me. With 62 college credits and 40 months in Active Duty will I be eligible for a GS-5?

    Thank you for time.

  • #2
    Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

    I have absolutely no idea about the contracting jobs, but if you're interested in aviation, perhaps you should check out the Warrant Officer opportunities. Also, from the looks of things, it appears that you are qualified to go to State (traditional) OCS.

    There might also be more opportunities across the river in PA, so you should probably check them out too.

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    • #3
      Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

      If you'd like to compare the different options, take a look at this: Warrant Officer Aviation and OCS

      There's also tons of great info here on the Forums.

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      • #4
        Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

        Sir, RyCass, thanks for your prompt replies.

        Unfortunately I dont meet the TIS or age requirements (Ill be 35 when I ETS) for Aviation WO. My Company Commander had suggested I submit a packet for Green to Gold but upon filling out the paperwork we discovered that I was ineligible due to advanced age. I see that I wouldnt have this problem with state OCS however I still dont meet the college credit criteria at this time. So for the moment I will reside in the enlisted side of the house.

        I need to focus on more tangible short term goals like finding a compatible or somewhat similiar MOS in NJ or the New England area and secure a medium level federal position prior to my ETS. Ive found some info online regarding GS level eligibility but was hoping to get some input from someone who might have gone through the eligibility screening process.

        Thanks again folks. Appreciated.

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        • #5
          Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

          As far as the GS positions go, I'm pretty sure GS 5 is an entry level position, heck the technicians positions here start at GS 6.

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          • #6
            Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

            Last time I checked, state OCS requires 60 credits to enroll and 90 to graduate/commission. If you don't have 90 upon graduation, you simply drill as a senior officer candidate until you meet the requirements. This usually entails making coffee for the TACs, hanging out, and yelling at junior candidates periodically.

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            • #7
              Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

              Originally posted by HR NCO View Post
              As far as the GS positions go, I'm pretty sure GS 5 is an entry level position, heck the technicians positions here start at GS 6.
              Roger that HR NCO. It would appear that GS 5 is entry level however everything Ive read thus far states that it requires a 4 year degree, which is why I was asking whether Id be eligible based on the "combination of education and experience" guidelines.

              Thanks Sir (jwarren), Ill have to keep take that into consideration upon returning to the ARNG.

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              • #8
                Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

                I guess that would probably depend on the specific job. Many technicians I know have no college at all.

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                • #9
                  Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

                  Maybe i'm mistaken on the GS thing and you are referring to something else but i'm a GS 7 and only have 37 college credits and could have gotten the job without even that. The civil service GS7 that reqquires military service to obtain. I know contractors also have a grade equivalant and was wondering if that was what you were referring to instead of technician.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

                    I think the college requirement may depend on the individual job. For example in aviation I believe all of the MTP and IP techs are GS-12's and GS-13's and there are several of them that don't have college degrees.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Career Transition (Air Defense Artillery)

                      ack202 is correct. All General Service, non-appropriated fund (NAFI), and other demonstration band federal employee jobs are different. And it differs by employing agency also (IRS, DoD, Transportation, etc.).

                      Most jobs as GardenState14J mentioned have a "combination of education and experience" caveat, in that some jobs require Bachelors Degree (financial/engineering primarily) and some do not. What I've generally seen is some cases you must meet education requirements (generally Bachelors) and there is no exception, while other jobs may allow you to substitute experience for education.

                      For example, I'm an Army Civilian Management & Program Analyst. It's mandatory I had a Bachelors with at least 24 hours in Business to apply, unwaiverable. Other jobs such as "some" Contract Specialists, administrative, IT, etc. may or may not have an unwaiverable education requirement or at least allow you to display how your experience could compensate for it.


                      PS noticed I failed to mention about the structuring. GS-5 is considered entry level. My wife was a college studentfile clerk at the GS-2 level, was promoted to GS-5 before graduation, then started out an intern at the GS-7 level with degree in hand (as I did). GS-7 is a typical right out of college with Bachelors entry level. If you had some experience to back you up, you could probably swing in at the GS-9 level.
                      Last edited by eqmcclure; November 29th, 2012, 01:04 PM.

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