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  • #16
    Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

    Originally posted by Lance13A View Post
    True story: at BOLC-B, the first month is called "Common Core," where you learn basic Combat PL stuff. Most of the instructors are E5-E7 Infantry, and we had a SGT stand on a stage in front of 100 LTs and tell us that if we were in the National Guard we especially need to pay attention because the NG are "soft targets" and we get killed at a higher rate because we're untrained and undisciplined. He was not razzing us or talking smack. He was dead serious. Luckily, a former Platoon Sergeant (now 2LT) from GA ARNG spoke up and discussed his 2 tours in Iraq and his 1 tour in Afghanistan, and corrected the SGT on his misinformation.
    That guy is truly an idiot. This is BOLC, not OSUT.

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    • #17
      Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

      To the OP--I graduated BCT at Benning in November and never once had anything negative said to me for being Guard.

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      • #18
        Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

        Just my personal experience--The majority of the screw-ups I witnessed were active duty guys whether trainees or re-classing. And I'm not just talking about petty stuff to get smoked over like not stepping correctly in the chow line either. I'm talking about article 15 territory or nearly getting kicked out for smuggling cigarettes, dip or being sloppy drunk. Again, just my personal experience. That's not counting the guys that didn't just have a chip but the whole brick on their shoulders. I've had to put a couple 'E-4 mafia' guys in their place because they thought for some reason they were the real deal. Not when you're less than half my age, when my daughter is older than you, and only been off your block for a couple years.
        Last edited by VICEROY06; February 26th, 2013, 07:19 PM.

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        • #19
          Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

          There are screw-ups in all services and components but to provide real accounts on why my AD (who never served in a reserve component) brethren formed the opinions that they did; here are the reasons. Granted, this could happen to any member in any branch. This all happened downrange.

          Iraq (FOB Warrior, Kirkuk) 2005 - My MP Platoon is replacing an NG unit at the detention facility in Kirkuk, Iraq. Their unit mostly has senior NCOs compared to our MP Platoon of the 101st. Protocol that happens during RIP is usually the leaving unit moves to tents so the replacing unit can move into some nice accommodations (CHUs) to get situated. NG unit does not move out and we move into tents until the CHUs are cleared for us to move in. A female SGT finally gets the keys to the CHU she is going to. She opens the door and finds the NG female E-4 in bed with her E-7 (newly promoted). Through the rumor mill, we find out the E-7 is married. Other things happened but I remember that day that was the butt of gossip jokes and how unprofessional NG Soldiers are.

          Iraq 2006 (FOB McHenry, Hawijah). I get moved to McHenry to take over squad after previous SL gets hit by RPG and get his leg broken. Puerto Rico (My people) National Guard (MPs) is on the FOB doing joint patrols. Infantry Regiment, 101st runs the FOB and I go to the daily BUBs and CUBs and see all the SIGACTs. What is stressed is the and what sectors we need to focus on. PRARNG is notorious for being loud on the FOB with its SALSA music and other issues in their tent. I love to see them because they will make me rice and beans daily. One issue, on patrol; they never engage. They receive SAF, IED attacks and always RTB back to FOB. BC/CSM have enough of it and last incident sealed their fate. I listen over the radio as they receive attack. TOC tells them to stay there and engage. Thick accent by LT says they are returning to base. TOC says they will wait for QRF. Doesn't happen. They are told they were no longer go out on mission and just stay on the FOB to train Iraqi IP. I now have to do longer missions and control their sector because of what happened. I cannot write what my squad members said about them and about NG. I wrote another story on here before on how a Guard unit replaced us and one of their Soldiers lost their NODs on mission. I had to go back outside the wire with my squad to find them which were damaged by a humvee as we left the IP stationed (so he dropped them). First time I see a CSM (101st Airborne) go full monty on a LT (NG). CSM to LT, "Lieutenant, you will write an SOP on ensuring you members track sensitive items.". LT had those deers in the headlights look.

          Afghanistan 2009-2010 (Bagram) - My issues were with the AF this time since we were working joint. They are too lax in my book.

          Afghanistan 2012 (JAF) - 678th MCT (comprised of Reserve Soldiers of the tri-state area) was based on my FOB and during my tour my guys were being pulled for unnecessary missions. I told my Major that why were my guys doing a mission that was not ours and who did it belong to. "Chief, that mission belongs to MCT but they are not doing it". WTF look appears. "Why is that sir? Aren't they tasked out/OPCONed to us? Why doesn't our BN or BDE CDR tell them they need to do their mission?" I just got that, it is what it is look. I go to the gym later that night and see one of their Specialists that I had to fix their RF-ITV system. "How you are doing Specialist?". He responds, "im aight man". My sergeant that I was meeting to work out with, said to me, "did I hear right, sir?". Ignore it Sergeant (who has been in for 7 years). Sergeant responds, "they are **&(".

          Now please do not be that guy. The reserve components on our FOB (even the MPs) looked slapped azzed, overweight and undisciplined. It showed with their uniform plus the unit patch sticks out that everyone knows they are not AD. I finally met the MCT NCOIC and he was hardcore and in-shape (E7). I said, "how long you been in the Reserves? He said two years after leaving AD after 11 years. He already did 4 tours on AD and left the service because of it, so he went Reserves. Then he got caught in another deployment lol.

          So my advice is to be that Soldier that embodies professionalism and discipline. When I was an NCO in the Guard, I had to bring it down a notch because it is just a different animal and that is ok. I had a 7 year break of service between the Marines and NG but I was still cadre with the Marine Cadets of America, Washington Greys and served with the Border Patrol (paramilitary organization) so I still retaining my military attitude and bearing.

          Just act like a Soldier 24/7 and you will be ok. And stay in shape!!

          And yes, I can tell some salacious stories about AD Soldiers. Especially when I was an MP.
          Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; February 26th, 2013, 08:43 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

            Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
            As for the Chief....well, every branch just keeps pawning him off onto another. "He's your problem now!"
            +10. So true. I did learn the hard way.

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            • #21
              Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

              Originally posted by Chief Kemosabe View Post
              There are screw-ups in all services and components but to provide real accounts on why my AD (who never served in a reserve component) brethren formed the opinions that they did; here are the reasons. Granted, this could happen to any member in any branch. This all happened downrange.

              Iraq (FOB Warrior, Kirkuk) 2005 - My MP Platoon is replacing an NG unit at the detention facility in Kirkuk, Iraq. Their unit mostly has senior NCOs compared to our MP Platoon of the 101st. Protocol that happens during RIP is usually the leaving unit moves to tents so the replacing unit can move into some nice accommodations (CHUs) to get situated. NG unit does not move out and we move into tents until the CHUs are cleared for us to move in. A female SGT finally gets the keys to the CHU she is going to. She opens the door and finds the NG female E-4 in bed with her E-7 (newly promoted). Through the rumor mill, we find out the E-7 is married. Other things happened but I remember that day that was the butt of gossip jokes and how unprofessional NG Soldiers are.

              Iraq 2006 (FOB McHenry, Hawijah). I get moved to McHenry to take over squad after previous SL gets hit by RPG and get his leg broken. Puerto Rico (My people) National Guard (MPs) is on the FOB doing joint patrols. Infantry Regiment, 101st runs the FOB and I go to the daily BUBs and CUBs and see all the SIGACTs. What is stressed is the and what sectors we need to focus on. PRARNG is notorious for being loud on the FOB with its SALSA music and other issues in their tent. I love to see them because they will make me rice and beans daily. One issue, on patrol; they never engage. They receive SAF, IED attacks and always RTB back to FOB. BC/CSM have enough of it and last incident sealed their fate. I listen over the radio as they receive attack. TOC tells them to stay there and engage. Thick accent by LT says they are returning to base. TOC says they will wait for QRF. Doesn't happen. They are told they were no longer go out on mission and just stay on the FOB to train Iraqi IP. I now have to do longer missions and control their sector because of what happened. I cannot write what my squad members said about them and about NG. I wrote another story on here before on how a Guard unit replaced us and one of their Soldiers lost their NODs on mission. I had to go back outside the wire with my squad to find them which were damaged by a humvee as we left the IP stationed (so he dropped them). First time I see a CSM (101st Airborne) go full monty on a LT (NG). CSM to LT, "Lieutenant, you will write an SOP on ensuring you members track sensitive items.". LT had those deers in the headlights look.

              Afghanistan 2009-2010 (Bagram) - My issues were with the AF this time since we were working joint. They are too lax in my book.

              Afghanistan 2012 (JAF) - 678th MCT (comprised of Reserve Soldiers of the tri-state area) was based on my FOB and during my tour my guys were being pulled for unnecessary missions. I told my Major that why were my guys doing a mission that was not ours and who did it belong to. "Chief, that mission belongs to MCT but they are not doing it". WTF look appears. "Why is that sir? Aren't they tasked out/OPCONed to us? Why doesn't our BN or BDE CDR tell them they need to do their mission?" I just got that, it is what it is look. I go to the gym later that night and see one of their Specialists that I had to fix their RF-ITV system. "How you are doing Specialist?". He responds, "im aight man". My sergeant that I was meeting to work out with, said to me, "did I hear right, sir?". Ignore it Sergeant (who has been in for 7 years). Sergeant responds, "they are **&(".

              Now please do not be that guy. The reserve components on our FOB (even the MPs) looked slapped azzed, overweight and undisciplined. It showed with their uniform plus the unit patch sticks out that everyone knows they are not AD. I finally met the MCT NCOIC and he was hardcore and in-shape (E7). I said, "how long you been in the Reserves? He said two years after leaving AD after 11 years. He already did 4 tours on AD and left the service because of it, so he went Reserves. Then he got caught in another deployment lol.

              So my advice is to be that Soldier that embodies professionalism and discipline. When I was an NCO in the Guard, I had to bring it down a notch because it is just a different animal and that is ok. I had a 7 year break of service between the Marines and NG but I was still cadre with the Marine Cadets of America, Washington Greys and served with the Border Patrol (paramilitary organization) so I still retaining my military attitude and bearing.

              Just act like a Soldier 24/7 and you will be ok. And stay in shape!!

              And yes, I can tell some salacious stories about AD Soldiers. Especially when I was an MP.
              Bleh.

              I prefer velcro over sew-on.

              Now top that.
              Last edited by VICEROY06; February 27th, 2013, 08:22 AM.

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              • #22
                Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

                Originally posted by Mr_Loki View Post
                Not only am I the comsec custodian, but I am the armorer, NBC 'guy', sams-e operator, food service person, tamms clerk, transportation clerk, and key custodian. I just had to input that
                In other words your the guy the Commander doesn't want to pizz off.

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                • #23
                  Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

                  Originally posted by Chief Kemosabe View Post
                  Just act like a Soldier 24/7 and you will be ok. And stay in shape!!

                  And yes, I can tell some salacious stories about AD Soldiers. Especially when I was an MP.

                  Yep, it just goes to show that turd-burglars are in every component. We had new A/D LTs at my BOLC class lying to the cadre and falsifying record sheets in order to get a certain award. When the class CoC brought it up, the class cadre simply ignored it... Which, in turn, got them in some substantial hot water when the issue was again brought up at the AAR with the BN CO.

                  Just keep you stuff wired right, do the right thing and you'll be ok. Eventually, it'll wash out.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

                    The fact that this thread has gone on so long means that there are people here who care more than they probably should.

                    Congrats! You're Active Duty! Would you like a cookie?

                    Most of the people who perpetuate these perceptions are low-IQ individuals anyways. What does their opinion matter?

                    When I was up in Vermont skiing/snowboarding with friends, a random active duty soldier decided to hit on one of the ladies in the group. He said, "Hi! I'm in the Army." And she said, "And?".

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                    • #25
                      Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

                      ....... that's what she said!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Why are Guardsmen given so much hate by Active Soldiers?

                        Originally posted by jmclaughlin1701 View Post
                        ....... that's what she said!
                        haha. Not haha at the video but at the comment

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