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  • Active duty Marine to Army National Guard

    Well my Eas is coming up and have decided to join the national guard after moving back home. I talked to a recruiter briefly who said if I enlisted I would be a specialist and fast track to Sgt I have been a Cpl for 2 years now and would have been a Sgt before I Eas had it not been for the drawdown taking place. I was fine with this at first but it's been eating away at me the past few days that I'd have to be a spc due to the fact that it would be hypocritical of me since that is what we call our weak Corporals, or E-3.5, so how long exactly would this fast track take and what does it consist of? Also how much different are the customs and courtesies with regards to NCOs and troops? Another thing I forgot to ask is whether or not I'd get the service uniforms issued to me or would I have to buy them? I already read a previous post stating that ACU's were issued by the unit.

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    Re: Active duty Marine to Army National Guard

    You need to understand that you are not entitled to SGT in the Army just because you were a CPL in the Marines for 2 years. In the National Guard we have promotion boards that convenes once a year. The board is essentially 2 parts, an appearance board and a paper board. You are awarded points in both parts and then added to give a total. If a person scores enough points to make the "cutoff" for promotion to SGT then they are placed on an Order of Merit List (OML) within their MOS. Next it comes down to slots that are available. It could happen where everyone who is an 11B (for example) makes the point cutoff for SGT but there is only 1 open slot for 11B in the state. In which case the soldier who is the highest on the OML for that MOS (11B in this example) is the only one who will get promoted. Everyone else has to wait for another SGT slot to open. If they don't get promoted within that year then they have to do the board all over again and get rated against their peers again and get placed on a new OML list for that year. The only thing I can see being fast tracked is you being identified as someone who should go to the next promotion board, be it 5 months from now or 12 months from now, which ever comes first.

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      Re: Active duty Marine to Army National Guard

      Originally posted by Explosive Hazard View Post
      You need to understand that you are not entitled to SGT in the Army just because you were a CPL in the Marines for 2 years. In the National Guard we have promotion boards that convenes once a year. The board is essentially 2 parts, an appearance board and a paper board. You are awarded points in both parts and then added to give a total. If a person scores enough points to make the "cutoff" for promotion to SGT then they are placed on an Order of Merit List (OML) within their MOS. Next it comes down to slots that are available. It could happen where everyone who is an 11B (for example) makes the point cutoff for SGT but there is only 1 open slot for 11B in the state. In which case the soldier who is the highest on the OML for that MOS (11B in this example) is the only one who will get promoted. Everyone else has to wait for another SGT slot to open. If they don't get promoted within that year then they have to do the board all over again and get rated against their peers again and get placed on a new OML list for that year. The only thing I can see being fast tracked is you being identified as someone who should go to the next promotion board, be it 5 months from now or 12 months from now, which ever comes first.
      +1. You have to remove that Corporal mindset when you come into the Army because Corporal is looked at differently. If you go into a unit and is a team leader as a Specialist; they might lateral promote you to Corporal.

      If you hung on E-4 Corporal, then I will suggest the Marine Reserves.

      Expect a little different when it comes to discipline and interaction when transferring to a Reserve component.
      Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; February 9th, 2013, 01:36 PM.

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        Re: Active duty Marine to Army National Guard

        Ya I understand Its just frustrating because I've worked hard to get where I'm at and instead of going forward,like a Marine a year ago or so in the same position, I've got to take a step back so too speak. I'd go into the Marine reserves but there are no units close by to where I live and the one that is I'd have to lat move to bulk fuel supply or something like that. There's a national guard infantry unit 10 miles from where ill be living and the transition from a amtracker to a grunt would be easy for me.

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        • #5
          Re: Active duty Marine to Army National Guard

          Taking a step backwards is really just a matter of perception on your part. It is true that a CPL is a NCO and a SPC is not. However, in the Army it is very common to find a SPC in a team leader position while it is very rare to see CPL at all. I was a SPC in a team leader position for a while before I got promoted. I really wish the Army would either get rid of the SPC rank or the CPL rank all together.

          If you are ready to be SGT and can demonstrate that potential when you get to your unit then you could find yourself right back in a team leader spot in no time. As soon as you become a member of the NG I strongly suggest getting your **** together for the E-5 board. That means getting any college credits you have to the state education office so they can upload everything into iPerms, make sure you have all your awards from the Marines uploaded into iPerms by your unit admin NCO, start taking Army Correspondence Courses immediately, complete Structured Self Development level 1 immediately etc. The last thing you want is to be short a bunch of points on the paper side of the board because you couldn't get everything lined up in time. It can easily be the difference from placing #1 on the OML list to #10.

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