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  • #31
    Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

    Some did OK lol

    http://www.fact-index.com/l/li/list_..._notables.html

    http://www.fact-index.com/c/cr/criminal_justice.html <---I attended John Jay (winter 1985) eons ago for ROTC.

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    • #32
      Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

      Originally posted by Polo08816 View Post
      Still doesn't explain how our posts were deleted out of the queue to be moderated. Big brother is at work on this forum. Truth hurts (even when it's completely non-hostile).
      We only do soft deletes, so other mods can see the original post and reason for deleting. None of which, were any of yours. The "Approval" process is another animal. Over time the administrators have taken steps to minimize them and for a while it looked like the issue had gone away. I think it has started happening again this past week or so.

      Keep in mind that any posts that are insulting or that turn a discussion into a pissing contest are subject to deletion.
      Last edited by SteveLord; January 22nd, 2013, 12:47 PM.

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      • #33
        Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

        Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
        We only do soft deletes, so other mods can see the original post and reason for deleting. None of which, were any of yours. The "Approval" process is another animal. Over time the administrators have taken steps to minimize them and for a while it looked like the issue had gone away. I think it has started happening again this past week or so.

        Keep in mind that any posts that are insulting or that turn a discussion into a pissing contest are subject to deletion.
        I understand. The reason I'm slightly skeptical is because I posted a reply that needed moderator approval; thus, it did not display. Then I posted a reply afterwards asking the moderator to approve of the post. That last post was visible - and then at some point in time between last night and today, it was deleted.

        For a post needing moderation/approval and another post that was clearly visible to somehow disappear seems as if a moderator removed both.

        But then again, maybe it was a moderator not being able to see the post that required approval and deleting the post requesting approval.
        Last edited by Polo08816; January 22nd, 2013, 01:12 PM.

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        • #34
          Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

          I'll just say this: Everyone has offered valid points for the OP to take into mindful consideration. What it comes down to is cost effectiveness. There are many majors that one can pursue that will lead them to a sense of happiness and or fulfillment. But some majors lead to careers that simply do not pay the bills (according to cost of living/place or residence) or are 'overstrength' in a civilian sense. No one wants to invest a considerable amount of time and money pursuing a career that doesn't yield enough disposible income after living expenses, IF it can be avoided, just because they 'love what they do'. Though some people would lead you to believe such. Many of those people end up changing careers because they find that financial stability is more important while others settle.

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          • #35
            Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

            Originally posted by VICEROY06 View Post
            I'll just say this: Everyone has offered valid points for the OP to take into mindful consideration. What it comes down to is cost effectiveness. There are many majors that one can pursue that will lead them to a sense of happiness and or fulfillment. But some majors lead to careers that simply do not pay the bills (according to cost of living/place or residence) or are 'overstrength' in a civilian sense. No one wants to invest a considerable amount of time and money pursuing a career that doesn't yield enough disposible income after living expenses, IF it can be avoided, just because they 'love what they do'. Though some people would lead you to believe such. Many of those people end up changing careers because they find that financial stability is more important while others settle.
            Excellent post Viceroy. And the bolded reflects why I am in IT compared to my inital goal of filmmaking of yesteryear.

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            • #36
              Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

              IT for the win!

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              • #37
                Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
                IT for the win!
                Was that your first choice for a career?

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                • #38
                  Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                  Originally posted by SteveLord View Post
                  IT for the win!
                  +1

                  It was never my goal in life to get into IT, but I started breaking my dad's PC when I was in Jr. High (mid-80's) and here I am now trying to finish up a BS and gather a few more certs to try and get one of them nice 6-figure IT positions (and get out of my "thank God for OT" Help Desk job!)

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                  • #39
                    Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                    Originally posted by PALINATHAS View Post
                    +1

                    It was never my goal in life to get into IT, but I started breaking my dad's PC when I was in Jr. High (mid-80's) and here I am now trying to finish up a BS and gather a few more certs to try and get one of them nice 6-figure IT positions (and get out of my "thank God for OT" Help Desk job!)
                    Don't expect too much. 6-figure IT positions are for those with a few years of work experience, not starting out unless you have a TS/SCI clearance.

                    There are a bunch of people out there with a whole encyclopedia's worth of certs but that doesn't meant that much to an employer unless you actually know what you're talking about. Case in point, there are people with the Cisco CCIE because they studied dumps. Although, how they passed the laboratory portion is probably a miracle.
                    Last edited by Polo08816; January 22nd, 2013, 02:09 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                      Originally posted by Polo08816 View Post
                      Don't expect too much. 6-figure IT positions are for those with a few years of work experience, not starting out unless you have a TS/SCI clearance.

                      There are a bunch of people out there with a whole encyclopedia's worth of certs but that doesn't meant that much to an employer unless you actually know what you're talking about. Case in point, there are people with the Cisco CCIE because they studied dumps. Although, how they passed the laboratory portion is probably a miracle.
                      Hence the BS degree to go with the certs, and 5 years+ experience in IT (and while my job is Help Desk in name, we do lots of field work and lots of work with ISPs). I agree, looking 6-figure starting is rather ambitious, and I would gladly "settle" for high 5-figure (65K+). As for TS/SCI, I was hoping to get a 25-series MOS when I signed up, but my recruiter pointed out that with my awful finances and credit I would be unlikely to acheive a clearance, so I took 92F and am now fixing my credit. Perhaps I can change MOS or go Warrant later. If not at least the Guard is paying for my BS!

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                      • #41
                        Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                        Originally posted by PALINATHAS View Post
                        Hence the BS degree to go with the certs, and 5 years+ experience in IT (and while my job is Help Desk in name, we do lots of field work and lots of work with ISPs). I agree, looking 6-figure starting is rather ambitious, and I would gladly "settle" for high 5-figure (65K+). As for TS/SCI, I was hoping to get a 25-series MOS when I signed up, but my recruiter pointed out that with my awful finances and credit I would be unlikely to acheive a clearance, so I took 92F and am now fixing my credit. Perhaps I can change MOS or go Warrant later. If not at least the Guard is paying for my BS!
                        I really hate when recruiters "play" clearance adjudicator. It is an easy way for them to steer someone onto another MOS.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                          Originally posted by PALINATHAS View Post
                          Hence the BS degree to go with the certs, and 5 years+ experience in IT (and while my job is Help Desk in name, we do lots of field work and lots of work with ISPs). I agree, looking 6-figure starting is rather ambitious, and I would gladly "settle" for high 5-figure (65K+). As for TS/SCI, I was hoping to get a 25-series MOS when I signed up, but my recruiter pointed out that with my awful finances and credit I would be unlikely to acheive a clearance, so I took 92F and am now fixing my credit. Perhaps I can change MOS or go Warrant later. If not at least the Guard is paying for my BS!
                          1. Your BS in what?

                          2. You won't have even a Secret clearance until you get your credit fixed.

                          3. You're not "settling" into a 65+k/year job as an entry level grad (especially when you factor in #2). That's an income range that the top 10 consulting firms pay to qualified undergraduates from reputable schools. Maybe 70-85k/year if you are looking for a cleared entry level software developer position.

                          4. IT experience as a Help Desk operator does not stand out. It's great that you worked and it's better than all the other clowns that did nothing but sit on their asses.



                          Reality is going to hit you real hard soon. Prepare for it.
                          Last edited by Polo08816; January 22nd, 2013, 05:18 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                            Originally posted by Polo08816 View Post
                            Don't expect too much. 6-figure IT positions are for those with a few years of work experience, not starting out unless you have a TS/SCI clearance.
                            Originally posted by PALINATHAS View Post
                            Hence the BS degree to go with the certs, and 5 years+ experience in IT (and while my job is Help Desk in name, we do lots of field work and lots of work with ISPs). I agree, looking 6-figure starting is rather ambitious, and I would gladly "settle" for high 5-figure (65K+). Perhaps I can change MOS or go Warrant later. If not at least the Guard is paying for my BS!
                            Excellent points and an IT salary between 55K and 70K is very good. If you cannot survive on that salary; then you are definitely living above your means lol.

                            I make the "big bucks" because of my rank and years of service but still not over six figures. That will only happen when I get promoted next year and get stationed at a high BAH zone like Hawaii but then I will be paying bukoo in bills.

                            Currently, I do not know the demand and stats for IT workers across our great nation but if there are more IT specialists than jobs; then wages will stay at bay and/or U.S. companies still stifling IT employment by employing abroad in countries such as India. Or you can be that civilian IT specialist that goes to Afghanistan and deals with tier 1 issues over the phone for six figures.

                            As you move up and move into an IT supervisory/manager role and perhaps MIS director; that is where you can get a very high income in IT. Plus, working for companies that provide their employees an annual bonus will increase your income.
                            Last edited by Chief Kemosabe; January 22nd, 2013, 05:21 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                              Originally posted by Polo08816 View Post
                              1. Your BS in what?

                              2. You won't have even a Secret clearance until you get your credit fixed.

                              3. You're not "settling" into a 65+k/year job as an entry level grad (especially when you factor in #2). That's an income range that the top 10 consulting firms pay to qualified undergraduates from reputable schools. Maybe 70-85k/year if you are looking for a cleared entry level software developer position.

                              4. IT experience as a Help Desk operator does not stand out. It's great that you worked and it's better than all the other clowns that did nothing but sit on their asses.



                              Reality is going to hit you real hard soon. Prepare for it.
                              Sir, with all due respect, I am not a young kid looking wildly at the future. I am in my mid-thirties, I have an AS in computer science, working on my BS in cybersecurity.

                              As I said working on fixing my credit, not depending on getting a clearance, but if I do that opens more doors.

                              As you noticed I put "settle" in quotes, to indicate that while I would like to get a 6-figure job, I understand that 65K+ is more reasonable especially since I am not looking entry level per se. I currently have 5+ years of hardware and cable installation, network configuration, computer imaging and support, as well as dealing with ISPs.

                              Also, I did not intend to start an argument/discussion about job prospects. I was sharing my personal experience and joining with the Chief and Steve in supporting IT as a career choice. I will bow out of this discussion as we go further off-topic.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Two broad questions and an introduction.

                                Surprised with the amount of spoon feeding needed here:

                                Parole Texas
                                Major course work in Criminal Justice, Counseling,
                                Psychology, Social Work, Sociology, or related field preferred.
                                US Marshals Service One full year of graduate level study related to a field in law enforcement or other related fields such as Criminal Justice, Sociology

                                US Probation Officer Completion of a bachelorís degree from an accredited college or university with specialization in criminal justice, criminology, psychology, sociology, human relations, business or public administration

                                Police Officer - US Treasury Successfully completed a 4-year course of study leading to a bachelor's degree in Police Science or a comparable degree program related to the work of this position. Examples include: Administration of Justice, Criminal Justice or Correctional Administration.

                                Corrections Officer - US Bureau of Prisons FOR GL-06: Nine (9) semester hours or fourteen (14) quarter hours of graduate study, from an accredited school, in Criminal Justice, Criminology, Social Science, or another field of study related to the position such as law.

                                US Army CID Agent Qualification requirements for the entry level procurement fraud investigator include either a minimum of 3 years felony investigative experience or a masterís degree in a related field such as law, business, accounting, contracting or criminal justice.


                                That took all about 5 minutes to find. All different jobs in law enforcement from federal to state. All mention as I did before, CJ degree or closely related field. Now, I will acknowledge, that some of the federal jobs are asking for graduate degrees and with CID a accounting degree may work better.

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