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    Hi all,

    I have a question, sorry if you find it a bit off-topic, but I really need to know. We - me and my wife - wanted to enlist in the NG. We took the ASVAB. As for me, I took it once and got 98, which makes me able to enlist as almost any specialist, except for professions which require secret clearance (because I am not a citizen yet). I am choosing now...

    However, my wife took it twice, her latest score was 48, so she didn't pass. She's going to try for the third time soon, but I do not know if she'll pass - she's getting extremely nervous during the exam and messes it up, though I always say to her that it's wrong tactics and if she stays calm, she will pass, as she's not stupid at all. Of course, as we are both originally from Russia, she also needs to improve her English, as it was the second language she studied. But the main hindrance for her are nerves, really...

    Well, to be short, she found out about the Coast Guard Reserve, and that the needed score is either 40 or 45 - various sources name different figures (we have contacted a recruiter, so soon we will know for sure). She became very interested. I also got some interest in this as they have some professions which NG does not have, but which could be good for me. But the questions are: will they see the results of the ASVAB she has already taken, so she won't have to take it again? And the second one: as for the NG, after serving for some time (6 months?) you can get expedited citizenship - I understood that it does not matter what MOS you choose. As for the Coast Guard - again, I have read different things in different sources. It seems that I saw in some official document that the CG should also provide this opportunity, yet in another source I read that this is incorrect and the CG service (whether reserve or active duty), unlike NG, does not give one a chance to receive expedited citizenship.

    So I decided to ask here - maybe you could comment on this, if you know something? My wife is really willing to serve America, but we need information... Many thanks!
    Last edited by RKasp; March 20th, 2012, 04:18 PM. Reason: forgot to mention one thing...

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    I take it the ASVAB standards have changed recently? I didn't think 48 would be a disqualifying score, but I suppose with the recent draw down the services can be much more selective. At any rate the ASVAB has given some very intelligent people that I know a hard time. It can be a bit of a challenge if you have been out of school for a while. I probably wouldn't score any where near as well now as I did 9 years ago while fresh out of high school, even though I feel I am quite a bit smarter now than then lol! To my knowledge if she passes the ASVAB then all the other branches would be able to aquire that information rather easily, it might even be automatic if its done electronically.

    As for citizenship I know they can expedite the process for active duty soldiers but I'm not sure about guardsman. A good friend of mine enlisted active duty army almost 2 years ago. He is Lithuanian and previously served in the USSR army during the 80's; they expedited his citizenship in the first few months. I would think the CG would offer the same benefit but they are a little bit of an oddity in the military world as they fall under the Department of Homeland Security and not the Department of Defense like the Army, Navy and Air Force.

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      Many thanks for your reply! This is most inspiring. I forgot that the Coast Guard belong to DHS really, not to DOD. Well, we will discuss it further with the CG recruiter. And as for me, I plan to join the NG soon, I am still choosing my MOS . I wanted to be a Mechanic, but I saw that they earn little money in civilian life, not more than approx. $40,000 per year, so maybe I will choose Financial Technician, though it can seem strange - but I have experience in that sphere at least. I wanted to be a Linguist or Interpreter, or Intelligence Analyst, but currently all these paths are closed to me - they all require Secret and Top Secret clearace which I am unable to get as a non-citizen. Well, I'll find my way Thanks again. At least, both the NG and CG are a good start in a truly American setting, so if there is no expedited citizenship, it's not a big problem.

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        National Guard soldiers will get their Citizenship expedited while at Basic/AIT, just the same as Active Duty. Several soldiers got this done while I was at Ft Benning last year.

        I can't speak for the CG - technically you should get the same benefit, but if they don't have it set up while you're in Boot Camp, you might have to run a bunch of paperwork yourself afterwards. Hopefully your recruiter will be able to enlighten you on this - but bear in mind that they do have to keep up to date on a lot of different regulations and might not necessarily have the most current or accurate info on the expedited Citizenship process.

        I'm not sure how it works in the CG these days - back when I was very briefly Active Duty CG (2008), you had the option of going as a "Non-Rate", in which you'd do general duties for several months after Boot Camp before picking a Rate (MOS), and then waiting on a School Date. My plan was to do that so I could apply for my Citizenship, and then pick a Citizenship Rate (e.g. Intel). Unfortunately that didn't work out as I took an Entry Level Separation in Boot Camp (details of that are in a previous post of mine if you care to look). You have up to 2 years to pick a Rate, so plenty of time to get the Citizenship.

        That being said, the CG Reserve may be a whole different ball game - they might make you enlist with a certain Rate since they have fewer slots to fill etc, in which case you'd have to be happy with doing a non-Citizen Rate for a while.

        Best of luck with whatever you decide - I'm extremely proud of my service in the NG, and being Airborne Infantry. That being said I always wonder what I would have wound up doing in the CG had I stuck with it - it's an interesting mix of missions (Law Enforcement, Search and Rescue, Counter-Terrorism, Environmental Protection etc).

        I still have a few contacts in the CG, so hit me up if you need any info from the inside so to speak.

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          Re: National Guard vs. Coast Guard Reserve

          Originally posted by RKasp View Post
          Hi all,

          And the second one: as for the NG, after serving for some time (6 months?) you can get expedited citizenship - I understood that it does not matter what MOS you choose. As for the Coast Guard - again, I have read different things in different sources. It seems that I saw in some official document that the CG should also provide this opportunity, yet in another source I read that this is incorrect and the CG service (whether reserve or active duty), unlike NG, does not give one a chance to receive expedited citizenship.

          So I decided to ask here - maybe you could comment on this, if you know something? My wife is really willing to serve America, but we need information... Many thanks!
          I think the benefit of a fast track to citizenship for green card holders serving in the millitary is extended to all members of the armed forces which consists of "....the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard". Also why would you have to wait 6 months? did you see that written somewhere? it seems from what I have read your are eligable from day one after passing basic training, this 'law' is based on the war on terror that we are currently fighting.

          Please see this link regarding policy Memorandum PM-602-0027 at http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memo...e-sect-329.pdf

          Regards.

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            This should help. http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memo...e-sect-329.pdf

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              Many thanks, I will check it out. It's very interesting.

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                www.march2success.com will help for ASVAB study. Like really, it helps. I've gone from a 33 to a 57. And will be undergoing math classes at a local community college with my friends so we can all get our mathematics up to pre-calc+.

                That's awesome you two are looking to do it all together. But check out the link, take the assessments, and it really will help you out. But DO NOT use calculators!!! If you can't do it by pencil/paper, best guess and move on. After the assessments are complete, they will pull up study materials for you to study, and help you do it.

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