cancelling contract.....

[idontknow]

I've had a lot of people ask me how do they cancel their contract with the army national guard because they no longer think their mentially fit to go or they disagree with war period or they simply changed their minds about going in. The stipulations are they have NOT SHIPPED FOR BASIC, and they HAVE NOT SWORE IN 2ND TIME as of yet. I know someone on here knows how to get out of the contract. Just call the recruiter and tell him/her that you no longer want to go? Or how would u tell them? Thanks n advance

[idontknow]

Does this help anyone out with understanding how they can cancel the contract without any obligation .... READ THIS:

http://www.citizen-soldier.org/cs12-enlistment.html

POST WHAT U THINK

[idontknow]

Anyone wanna post back on this? Give advice or comments...

[andrew.tischner]

Well guys nice try but that web site is for active duty, in the National Guard you do not take the oath a second time you know why? There is no DEP in the National Guard. As soon as you swear in you are a active pertisipant in the Army National Guard. Sorry but not of that on that website pertains to you in the National Guard.

[Doc]

Anyone wanna post back on this? Give advice or comments...


Well you can get out before you ship, you just have to have a **** good reason, they are not going to make it easy on you.

What I don't get is why anyone would want to get out after deciding to sign up? I mean you haven't even experienced it yet. Did it finally hit that it is the Army and not some free job training academy?

[idontknow]

Please Refer To Below

[idontknow]

(http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/l/aaoath.htm)

"if a member refuses to report for active duty, the military simply voids the enlistment contract, or issues an uncharacterized discharge.

Does the military sue for breach of contract? Nope.

Are there any consequences at all for violating their word of honor? Nope.

In fact, the Army Regulation (USAREC Reg 601-95) states:

"At no time will any [recruiter] tell a Delayed Enlistment Program enlistee he or she must `go in the Army or he or she will go to jail,' or that `failure to enlist will result in a black mark on his or her credit record,' or any other statement indicating adverse action will occur if the applicant fails to enlist."


You may be surprised to learn, however, that there is a class of "military personnel" who can freely violate the oath, break their promised word of honor, violate a legal contract, and not only are they not held accountable, but often the military will later attempt to recruit these individuals for "another chance."

All of the military services have a Delayed Enlistment Program (sometimes called a "Delayed Entry Program). Individuals entered into this program are enlisted in the inactive reserve to await orders to active duty (sometimes up to a year in advance). This program is beneficial to both the military and to the enlistee. The enlistee can "lock in" a guaranteed job several months in advance, and the military has a "guarantee" of someone filling that slot, so the recruiters can concentrate their recruiting efforts elsewhere.



IT IS POSSIBLE 100% to NOT go to basic if u not choose to do so!

please refer to Army Regulation (USAREC Reg 601-95)









more references:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/recruiter.htm - "What the recruiter never told you"

[groundup]

The Army National Guard does not have a Delayed Entry Program (DEP). You don't re-sign your contract. You also take a slightly different oath upon enlistment. You won't be put in jail. It will be harder for future enlistment in the Armed Forces.

Of course, it isn't a recruiter's job to tell you how to get out of your contract. You signed a contract, you took an oath. It is your responsibility and duty to go to your training. If you don't have what it takes to do that much, don't waste a recruiter's time. If problems arise where you absolutely cannot go to training, perhaps postponing your training is better than right out cancelling it.

[matthew.ritchie]

Again, as SPC Tischner clearly stated, the DEP and the USAREC regs do not apply to the National Guard.

I've got a question ... if the recruiter promises you a bonus, and then doesn't deliver, is that a big deal? What about when a person signs a contract and then tries to weasel out of it? Is there a moral difference between the two breaches of contract?

[andrew.tischner]

At the bottom of the Non prior service enlistment contract you enitial that anything else promised to you from anyone is void and is not part of your contract.

[prius.1]

Just come out of the closet. Then again, we had a guy in our unit who came out (flaming) and we still drug him out to Iraq... man, was he pissed.. oh well. There's lots of ways to get out, but very few that will allow you to get back in. Going crazy is another good one. I do believe you have a 6 month window from when you join to get out (although I think that is one of those active duty things).

[PAGuardRecruiter]

As a former active duty recruiter What you are referring to IS A USAREC regulation which stands for US Army Recruiting Command Regulation and is in referrence to Federal Forces: Active duty and Reserves. They other post are correct. What happens is as an active duty or reserve soldier you are classified a DEP Delayed Training Program (this is new for reserves) And yes you would swear in a second time...this is when you become an active status...this is a term that is used incorrectly sometimes ... As a Guard member you are sworn in and are on active status that day your time starts ticking....Another thing to realize is that the army has 3 componets active..reserve.. national guard... as before the active and reserves is federal and the national guard is state....the guard is a 3 tier process the state national guard receives guidance from national guard beurua who receives guidance from DA Department of the Army.. but what you have to realize each state is seperate and same states require you to intial as a part of your contract that if you fail to report for duty (AWOL)the state police can be sent for you

[my ed ctr]

Very good response Sir!!! I always told my applicants that once they signed, they were in. How would you feel if your folks promised you a spring break and the day you were to leave said Oh I changed my mind. The military isn't spring break, however you made a promise to lay down your life if need be for your family and country. **** it up and be an adult. I know how to weasel out of a contract having been a recruiter, but I wouldn't tell anyone for anything.

[ammodawg7]

I can not believe what I am seeing!!!! Who would want to share a fighting position with a quitter??? If you can't be trusted to keep your word to your country then why would I want to trust you with my life?? We here in the army instill discipline, duty, honor, courage, and commitment. Put the playstation down for 4-6 months and fulfill the commitment you made to your country. This generation makes me want to scream!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matlock86]

Listen, I have not even sworn in yet, MEPS wednesday... And I would not even think about backing down now, I know the choice I've made and the reasons I made them..You may be scared or somebody may be coaxing you to pull out, but remember the reason you wanted to join, listen to yourself. If you want out, I'm sure you can find a way, take care.

[arial]

I've had a lot of people ask me how do they cancel their contract with the army national guard because they no longer think their mentially fit to go or they disagree with war period or they simply changed their minds about going in. The stipulations are they have NOT SHIPPED FOR BASIC, and they HAVE NOT SWORE IN 2ND TIME as of yet. I know someone on here knows how to get out of the contract. Just call the recruiter and tell him/her that you no longer want to go? Or how would u tell them? Thanks n advance

are you freaking KIDDING me??? this is like saying "a FRIEND of mine has a rash on their private parts, what should i tell THEM to do?" ...

why the HE[[ would you waste everyones time going thru the motions just to back out when it comes time to pony up? you might wanna do a little research on your next job prospect before applying... i sure as heckfire wouldnt want YOU in my foxhole... re: another post i made ---> walmarts hiring greeters, go apply there!

people like this make me sick ... hopefully he will back out and get court martialled ... what a traitor.

[formerMarine0311]

It sounds like "i dont know" is in fact talking about himself. dude, i was in the Marines, i got hurt and they kicked my butt out. i had the itch to get back in for 3 years. the Corps wouldnt take me back in because they didnt want to chance it, but the Guard was willing and I think you will always second guess you decision if you opt out of your contract. But if you do get go ahead and get out. Dont go around telling everyone that you kicked butt in Iraq and that you were some special ops soldier ok? that just ****** off real vets.

[matlock86]

are you freaking KIDDING me??? this is like saying "a FRIEND of mine has a rash on their private parts, what should i tell THEM to do?" ...

why the would you waste everyones time going thru the motions just to back out when it comes time to pony up? you might wanna do a little research on your next job prospect before applying... i sure as heckfire wouldnt want YOU in my foxhole... re: another post i made ---> walmarts hiring greeters, go apply there!

people like this make me sick ... hopefully he will back out and get court martialled ... what a traitor.

ahahah I love this dude, i split my side reading this for some reason. I know a "marine" who went to meps but then backed out and didnt go to basic... didnt tell anyone..

[Shamrock]

It sounds like "i dont know" is in fact talking about himself. dude, i was in the Marines, i got hurt and they kicked my butt out. i had the itch to get back in for 3 years. the Corps wouldnt take me back in because they didnt want to chance it, but the Guard was willing and I think you will always second guess you decision if you opt out of your contract. But if you do get go ahead and get out. Dont go around telling everyone that you kicked butt in Iraq and that you were some special ops soldier ok? that just ****** off real vets.


Hoorah! well said.

If you want out find a way out, then go for it. I rather not serve with someone who doesn't want to. But, for future referance, look up the words Honor and Commitment and have some respect for the people willing to give up everything to sign and take this oath, those words mean alot to those people. Next time, do not go this far and turn back. It took me more than a mouth to enlist from start to finish, lots of chances to get out of it. When I went to MEPS I was asked about half a dozen times from various staff and recruiters if i was sure about this. I just don't see why you would waste so many good peoples time and tax payers money if you were not 100% sure.

Do what you can and what's best for you but think about this stuff next time and know when it comes time to be a real man, your word is your bond...contract or not!