Age requirement 42?

[Cade@pei.com]

Did the age limit go up for officers? I am prior service (enlisted). Have a BS Degree with years of experience. Meet H/W & physical fitness requirements. What is requirements for Direct Commision or OTS?

Thanks for any info,
Cade

[andrew.tischner]

The age group for officers was not changed. age waivers for OCS can be waived up to 35 from the state and NGB has to approve past the age of 35

[VTguard]

While the age limit was not raised for officers, you can still get a waiver for over 40 years of age. There is no age limits for waivers. Waivers are handled on a case by case basis. Here's the complete info for OCS:

http://www.1800goguard.com/downloads/commguide.pdf

[rud1]

I thought there were no OCS age waivers over 40 y/o - did something change?

[matthew.ritchie]

I thought there were no OCS age waivers over 40 y/o - did something change?

No, nothing has changed. See page 5. "Must be commissioned prior to age 40." This is not policy, this is not regulation, this is federal law.

If you aren't commissioned by age 40, you never will be.

[rud1]

While the age limit was not raised for officers, you can still get a waiver for over 40 years of age. There is no age limits for waivers. Waivers are handled on a case by case basis. Here's the complete info for OCS


I was just asking because of this entry by VTGuard.

Thanks again.

[bule]

While the age limit was not raised for officers, you can still get a waiver for over 40 years of age. There is no age limits for waivers. Waivers are handled on a case by case basis. Here's the complete info for OCS:

http://www.1800goguard.com/downloads/commguide.pdf


I am prior service and I am over 40. I am currently 50 credits into my degree. Can I join the guard as an enlisted man and then appy for OCS?
Is that a realistic possibility? Is ir more probable for certain MOSes?
Thank you.

[matthew.ritchie]

No, see previous post. If you aren't already commissioned by age 39, you never will be. Speak with your state's Officer Strength Manager about possibilities as a Warrant Officer.

[michael_mansun]

To be a commissioned officer is a fine thing. We all understand from being enlisted that being the farthest thing from enlisted is the thing to be, considering how enlisted are paid and treated, regardless of qualifications or time in service.

I think that all officers should come from the enlisted grade. That will never happen. If you want to serve but feel you deserve better respect, be a Warrant Officer. In most cases, Warrant Officers are respected more by enlisted and Officers than officers are by anyone in the military. Most Commissioned Officers I have knows have just wanted to get out anyway. A warrant officer says, "I want to stay, and do not want to deal with the **** it takes to make a General."

I would prefer to be a Warrant Officer. At any age, it does not look ridiculous to be a Warrant Officer.

[Mac]

In terms of duties, how does a Warrant Officer differ from a "Regular" or Line Officer? I am prior service, so I know textbook, but I want to understand how real life is different. Also, what is the age requirement fro Warrant Officer?

Thanks,
mac

[ChristopherM]

To be a commissioned officer is a fine thing. We all understand from being enlisted that being the farthest thing from enlisted is the thing to be, considering how enlisted are paid and treated, regardless of qualifications or time in service.

I think that all officers should come from the enlisted grade. That will never happen. If you want to serve but feel you deserve better respect, be a Warrant Officer. In most cases, Warrant Officers are respected more by enlisted and Officers than officers are by anyone in the military. Most Commissioned Officers I have knows have just wanted to get out anyway. A warrant officer says, "I want to stay, and do not want to deal with the **** it takes to make a General."

I would prefer to be a Warrant Officer. At any age, it does not look ridiculous to be a Warrant Officer.
I respect your opinion; however, you seem to possess a distinct dislike for officers in the military. I'm sorry that as an enlisted you feel as though you were mistreated. The case remains, however, that the number of people that only graduated high school vs. the number of people that graduated from college is in the extreme.

It is much easier for the military to find a "C" student out of high school that is willing to sign up for the military's excellent benefits and care package than it is for them to find a person that has invested $20000 in college and their education. Thus, those college graduates are treated as much more valuable to the military, which they are.

This isn't meant to disrespect the enlisted corps, which form the backbone of the military. It is meant to explain that while each person is valuable to the military, it would be ridiculous for a E1 to assume that he is as valuable as an E2 given the E2's experience and training. Similarly, an E1 would be at folly to assume that he is as prepared and knowlegeable as an O1--the O1 has already undergone 4 years of training.

I can certainly agree that some officers are intentionally rude or exploitive of the ranking system that favors them. Ultimately, however, the choice lay with you in the military just like in the civilian sector--are you going to focus on that jerk that had it out for you or are you going to focus on the guy that inspired you and helped you be the better man?

The military's system of rank oft draws attention from all members of the military, when really it should be the last thing on anyone's mind. If you're worrying about ranks and who's officer and who's enlisted, you're probably not focusing on your tasks as much as you should.

[Mac]

No, nothing has changed. See page 5. "Must be commissioned prior to age 40." This is not policy, this is not regulation, this is federal law.

If you aren't commissioned by age 40, you never will be.

Unless you are a Catholic Chaplain

[BoopMD]

"commissioned by age 39, you never will be"

There are rubber stamp waivers, puh-leaze!
Medical Corps, Medical Service corps, JAG, Chaplains, Nurse to name a few.

The active army even offers a Doctorate Program in Physical Therapy to those eligible after finishing their two year program at Fort Sam before
age 46 1/2.

You may wish to get your story straight sir.

http://www.baylor.edu/graduate/pt/index.php?id=27029

How bad does someone really want to be an officer and secondly, do they have the intellect?

College takes discipline and academic acumen. If someone is dying to be an officer late in life they can take the scenic route and go into those special branches.

[matthew.ritchie]

Unless you are a Catholic Chaplain

If you're a Catholic Priest, we can appoint you up until the day prior to your funeral. We can also commission doctors at age 40+.

The original post asked in the spirit of basic branch appointment through OCS. I haven't found many priests or doctors on this forum. I don't want to waste people's time with information that may be true but irrelevant.

[hypnomindpower]

I'm currently working on my Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology and prior service Marine (enlisted). I'd like to know if there's a maximum age regarding entering into the medical corps?

Bob :-)

[matthew.ritchie]

"commissioned by age 39, you never will be"

There are rubber stamp waivers, puh-leaze!
Medical Corps, Medical Service corps, JAG, Chaplains, Nurse to name a few.

The active army even offers a Doctorate Program in Physical Therapy to those eligible after finishing their two year program at Fort Sam before
age 46 1/2.

You may wish to get your story straight sir.

http://www.baylor.edu/graduate/pt/index.php?id=27029

How bad does someone really want to be an officer and secondly, do they have the intellect?

College takes discipline and academic acumen. If someone is dying to be an officer late in life they can take the scenic route and go into those special branches.

Yeah, I should have told the fellow to go to become a medical doctor! Great answer, thanks, I'm sure everyone appreciates that career advice.

AMEDD appointments are a very different animal than basic branch commissions -- different requirements, different rules, different eligibility standards. I didn't mention the AMEDD route (or chaplain or JAG) because it wasn't relevant. It would be cruel for me to tell someone who wants to be an Infantry platoon leader, "go spend eight years in medical school and residency," or "go become a Catholic priest." That's not helpful.

I strive to answer the question according to the manner in which it was asked, and not just give information which is legalistically true but ultimately irrelevant or even misleading.

[Mac]

No, nothing has changed. See page 5. "Must be commissioned prior to age 40." This is not policy, this is not regulation, this is federal law.

If you aren't commissioned by age 40, you never will be.


Actually, I am working on it right now. You can get waivers based upon your time in service, up to age 48.

Catholic priests can go in up to age 50.

[matthew.ritchie]

The discussion in this thread was about basic branch commissions, not special branch. It's not helpful to tell someone to become a Catholic priest when they want to become an Infantry platoon leader.

[MaineLawyer]

No, nothing has changed. See page 5. "Must be commissioned prior to age 40." This is not policy, this is not regulation, this is federal law.

If you aren't commissioned by age 40, you never will be.


I am 44 years old and was sworn in as a 1LT Judge advocate this morning. I have no prior commissioned service. I was enlisted for 13.5 years and left as an E-7. It did take a great deal of work by the chain of command here, including the AG. So, it is possible to be commissioned over the age of 39, way over.

While I say this, I also want to confirm that much in my background was stellar and was used in justifying the waiver. So, folks, 39 is not a magic number but a high hurdle. Also, keep in mind that I am a lawyer, it may be different for basic branch.

Anyway, I'm glad to be back.

[VTguard]

The discussion in this thread was about basic branch commissions, not special branch. It's not helpful to tell someone to become a Catholic priest when they want to become an Infantry platoon leader.

I didn't mean to cause a big controversy in the forums. MAJ Ritchie is correct...in most cases, receiving a commission after the age of 40 is not possible. I was simply trying to open up the possibility of receiving a commission in after age 40 for some branches (such as Medical, JAG, and Chaplain). While it is unlikely that someone wanting to become an infantry officer would want to become a Chaplain just to get their commission,(like the MAJ stated) it is entirely possible to receive a commission as a JAG officer (especially if the applicant already has some significant education under their belt). I believe that it is possible to reclass into another (perhaps more desirable branch) at that point. This is perhaps a round-about way of becoming an officer, but for some, it may be their only option. Maybe I'll stay out of the officer forums from now on and leave this topic to the real experts that deal with this stuff everyday. Sorry about that, Sir.

[jude]

Thank You, I know that it was a bunny trail of your discussion, but I am a 42 y/o Theology student looking into Chaplain regulations. So while your topic was not intended to include me, the information was helpful and I won't feel like such an idiot calling a recruiter.
Again, thank you
Jude

[matthew.ritchie]

Thank You, I know that it was a bunny trail of your discussion, but I am a 42 y/o Theology student looking into Chaplain regulations. So while your topic was not intended to include me, the information was helpful and I won't feel like such an idiot calling a recruiter.
Again, thank you
Jude

Chaplain, JAG, and medical are "special" branches, covered by different provisions in law and regulation. They have additional requirements, but also additional opportunities. If you're pursuing chaplain branch, then please do go for it -- you have a chance to get an age waiver. If you planned to be a basic branch platoon leader, however, I have some bad news.

This question about max commissioning age resurfaces periodically, and I almost don't want to answer it anymore because of all the flaming posts that arise. Everyone seems to have a second cousin who sat next to a guy on an airplane who was commissioned an Infantry platoon leader at age 45. I ran officer recruiting in Virginia for three years, put over 300 officers in the Army National Guard, earned two national awards, taught at the officer recruiting course, and chaired the national committee on officer recruiting, and I've never met any of those brand-new 45 year-old platoon leaders. I guess I'm riding all the wrong airplanes.

Best wishes in your endeavors, the Guard needs more chaplains. Tell your friends.

[michael_mansun]

For most people, you get one shot at doing it right. For all of you who wish to become military officers, first, please, ask yourselves why. If you finished your degree like any traditional student, say, around the age of 22, then why not? Become an officer. Spend a few years as an officer, get out, and get on with your life. If you are middle-aged like me, 43, and are looking back at how you wish you had done it differently, at how you wish you had become an officer, and now you have six Masters in Nuclear Engineering and think you would make a great officer...take some time and think about it.

The military is a haven for a lot of people who simply cannot function on the outside. Those would be your peers. I understand the appeal of being a military officer, but have never been able to understand the appeal of becoming an enlisted man. I was enlisted and it was terrible. I attended a military academy through the National Guard, which with all their promises of extra pay and material, failed to deliver on any of it. I resigned and thereafter left the Guard. I am ashamed of my military experience and do not tell many people about it. Not my performance as a solider, but my lack of wisdom for throwing my young life away.

You, as the middleagers, wanting to become military officers...why? What do you think it will do for you? Will it make you feel better about yourselves? No. It will not. A 40 something 2nd LT would look ridiculous. To me, a 30 something 2nd LT looks ridiculous.

I had a reserve recruiter tell me yesterday, "They are desperate, they'll give you a direct commission" Bullsh*t. You'll be standing out there as an E4 with your six Masters in engineering, calling a 22 year old female Ma'am, who may be 6 credits shy of an Associates degree.

Never believe anything a recruiter tells you. Never. They are salesmen. They will lie, embellish, whatever, to make quota. Once you are in, you will see how they speak to you. It was buddy buddy to get you to sign, and afterwards, it's "Hey Private! How do you like it?!"

If you didn't make officer at 22 - 29, forget it. It really isn't worth it. It's a waste of time to try, and the ones who usually make officer the easy way do not deserve it. They are the ones who do not appreciate it and get out because they just really hate it. I regret every day I spent in the uniform fighting for our government's political agenda...a bunch of drunken Navy pilots or Air National Guard pilots who really don't give a **** if you live or die as long as their buddies get the contracts for your burial.

If you are young and are considering the military, become a pilot. Otherwise, it is really a very tedious way to waste your life. If you are over 30 and qualified to do anything else, don't sell yourself cheaply to the military. All the bonuses they offer are cut nearly in half once the chump in the cheap red, white, and blue suit and top hat takes back 45% in taxes. It's just not worth it. It really isn't.

[matthew.ritchie]

For most people, you get one shot at doing it right. For all of you who wish to become military officers, first, please, ask yourselves why. If you finished your degree like any traditional student, say, around the age of 22, then why not? Become an officer. Spend a few years as an officer, get out, and get on with your life. If you are middle-aged like me, 43, and are looking back at how you wish you had done it differently, at how you wish you had become an officer, and now you have six Masters in Nuclear Engineering and think you would make a great officer...take some time and think about it.

The military is a haven for a lot of people who simply cannot function on the outside. Those would be your peers. I understand the appeal of being a military officer, but have never been able to understand the appeal of becoming an enlisted man. I was enlisted and it was terrible. I attended a military academy through the National Guard, which with all their promises of extra pay and material, failed to deliver on any of it. I resigned and thereafter left the Guard. I am ashamed of my military experience and do not tell many people about it. Not my performance as a solider, but my lack of wisdom for throwing my young life away.

You, as the middleagers, wanting to become military officers...why? What do you think it will do for you? Will it make you feel better about yourselves? No. It will not. A 40 something 2nd LT would look ridiculous. To me, a 30 something 2nd LT looks ridiculous.

I had a reserve recruiter tell me yesterday, "They are desperate, they'll give you a direct commission" Bullsh*t. You'll be standing out there as an E4 with your six Masters in engineering, calling a 22 year old female Ma'am, who may be 6 credits shy of an Associates degree.

Never believe anything a recruiter tells you. Never. They are salesmen. They will lie, embellish, whatever, to make quota. Once you are in, you will see how they speak to you. It was buddy buddy to get you to sign, and afterwards, it's "Hey Private! How do you like it?!"

If you didn't make officer at 22 - 29, forget it. It really isn't worth it. It's a waste of time to try, and the ones who usually make officer the easy way do not deserve it. They are the ones who do not appreciate it and get out because they just really hate it. I regret every day I spent in the uniform fighting for our government's political agenda...a bunch of drunken Navy pilots or Air National Guard pilots who really don't give a **** if you live or die as long as their buddies get the contracts for your burial.

If you are young and are considering the military, become a pilot. Otherwise, it is really a very tedious way to waste your life. If you are over 30 and qualified to do anything else, don't sell yourself cheaply to the military. All the bonuses they offer are cut nearly in half once the chump in the cheap red, white, and blue suit and top hat takes back 45% in taxes. It's just not worth it. It really isn't.

There's no need to disparage the rest of the world because you may have had a bad experience. Ranting doesn't earn any respect.

[Rhughes]

Having read this post twice I feel I have to comment. Thae great thing about the U.S. is we all have the right to our belief and opinions. However, just because you regret or believe the military is a waste of time you are sadly mistaken. Are there problems in the military? Yes, but civilian jobs have the same types. Just because you regret your experience which is probably due in part to your own mistakes.

Do recruiters lie some but those thinking of enlisting must do their due diligence. Many of us on this board are prior service who have reenlisted after a number of years of being out (16 years in my case). I missed the military and so far other than regretting going back to my old MOS I love it. Yes, it is hard at times for me to salute or say "yes sir" to some one who could be my own kid. However, I like others understand how the military works and work through it and deal.

As far as the age limit for becoming a Commissioned Officer I wish I had not waited so long to rejoin. Some of us "old timers" who have matured since our first enlistment would be a benefit to the military but the law is the law.

Yes, you have the right to tell your experience postitive and negative but do not discourage those considering joining because without a strong military your right to speak your mind would be lost.

To anyone considering no matter what your age. Take the negative experiences with a grain of salt and follow your dreams. The NG is only as strong as those who enlist or the leaders who are commissioned.

[MaineLawyer]

To be a commissioned officer is a fine thing. We all understand from being enlisted that being the farthest thing from enlisted is the thing to be, considering how enlisted are paid and treated, regardless of qualifications or time in service.

I think that all officers should come from the enlisted grade. That will never happen. If you want to serve but feel you deserve better respect, be a Warrant Officer. In most cases, Warrant Officers are respected more by enlisted and Officers than officers are by anyone in the military. Most Commissioned Officers I have knows have just wanted to get out anyway. A warrant officer says, "I want to stay, and do not want to deal with the **** it takes to make a General."

I would prefer to be a Warrant Officer. At any age, it does not look ridiculous to be a Warrant Officer.

I was an active duty E-7 and am one of the few over 40's to get a waiver and am now a JAG officer. Over the course of my career I have never felt disrespected nor degraded due to being enlisted. I am proud of my service and every enlisted person on here should be offended by your remarks.

[SPC Lahman]

OK. Let's put this to rest from someone who actually is going through the process of a direct commission. The short answer is yes, you can get a direct commission if you are over 40. I am an infantryman, E4, with five years reserve time. Also, I am 42. Through making my own calls to the National Guard Bureau and getting shot down by many paper pushers at the NGB and recruiters, I finally knocked on the right door. I am in the process of getting a direct commission through the Vermont National Guard. I can chose any MOS but will either go 11A, 13A or 35G. You have to have your state approve (not hard given the needs of the Army) then send your packet up to the NGB for waiver (or exception to policy), but it can be done. A Col. Jones at the NGB has already blessed my paperwork and a Major Weibe was instrumental in hooking me up with Col. Jones. They are the best! So ignore the paper pushers and recruiters who can't get past the AR 135-100 and try to find Col. Jones at the NGB. He will help you get your direct commission after age 40. By the way, the Army Reserves is commssioning up to age 43 because of their many available slots. Hope this dispells all that recruiters have told you. And no, you don't go to OCS. Once direct commissions, you go to the some six week training all officers have to attend then on to your special school (IOBC, etc). Out.

[BoopMD]

Major, The Guard is in fact in dire need of these branches.

The original poster stated that he/she had a science degree and was also interested in direct commission. When one thinks of direct commission and science degree in the same sentence, one does tend to think of the special branches. (Direct commissions in a basic branch is an anomaly, would you not agree?)

Furthermore, direct commissions in the Army National Guard can come in with as little as an associates science degree (RN). Two years. I knew a special forces soldier who became an older commissioned OR nurse, he was just as essential and vital to the Army as a nurse as he was enlisted SF. (He was also very highly respected by his AMEDD peers.)

I also know > 40 y/o male nurses who wanted to be up in the choppers and went to SERE school to be flight nurses saving lives with as little as an RN associates.

The Guard needs nurses, entomologists, physical therapists, docs, chaplains and certainly attorneys, environmental scientists, behavioral science, clinical psychologists, physician assistants, dentists, laboratory officer, nuclear medicine and even social workers in some states etc., at any age. We are so hard up the medical review boards are waivering all sorts of things I have never seen before. I would not discourage anyone now, the standards have "loosened."

I agree I would not recommend people to go and become doctors or chaplains in an advanced age just to gain a commission. However, one - two additional years for nursing or PA/PT/OCT/MT school to gain a (science) direct commission at an advanced age is not asking for a huge sacrifice, if they have the academic talent and sincere wont to serve their country without killing anyone. (Many people are career changers and want to do something meaningful and different later in life.)

If one has a science doctorate in the special branches the incoming rank is 0-3 and above. I have seen 4 brand new (just learned how to salute) 0-5s all in the same room all over 55 y/o. There was also one 62 y/o brand new 0-6 who walked with a limp, but he showed up, could move his scalpel and was proud to serve.

The GRAP program is not offering 8.5K to refer special branches because the guard is not really hard up for these specialties.

My state is 50% understrengthed for physicians. Many physicians think that they are too old to serve and do not consider it. Thus, the rest of the docs have to put in two times as many tours in Iraq/Afghanistan.

I do tell my friends that we need more physicians of practically any age, despite what they may read on the internet.

[andrew.tischner]

Well physicians can litteraly join to the day before they die , if you get what im saying. There is no age limit for a doctor.

[4048donald]

The posts have been very helpful; thanks to everyone for the information. Does anyone have specific information as to the benefit breakdown, e.g., bonuses/loan repayment, and job description for National Guard Attorneys in PA? Additionally, would I meet the direct commission standards?

Thanks very much.

[gdunn6]

Browsing through and came upon this thread. I have considered this route myself. Here is an article from HRC for US Army.


U.S. Army
Officer Candidate School (OCS)




APPLICATION CHECKLIST


The following documents are required as part of the OCS application. These requirements can be found in the governing Army Regulation (AR) 350-51 (U.S. Army Officer Candidate School).
1. Chain of command endorsements: Company and Battalion Commanders must use DA Form 61 (Application for Appointment) for endorsements. All others should be included on a separate sheet of paper. If request for waivers are submitted with the application the forwarding endorsement from the Personnel Service Battalion (PSB) should include a recommendation.

2. Official photograph: Soldier must be in Class A uniform. Deployed soldiers can be in duty uniform.

3. DA Form 61 (Application for Appointment). Must be original. Copies will not be accepted. There is space on this form for chain of command endorsements - Company (CO) & Battalion (BN) CO must use this space. USE OF THE AUTOMATED FORM IS ENCOURAGED. In item 41, Remarks, indicate any leadership positions (Captain of football/baseball/soccer teams, editor of school newspaper, etc) or awards, (honor graduate, outstanding athlete, etc) that you held/received in civilian life and date received. See NOTE below for branch choices.

4. Waivers. (All waivers submitted on a DA Form 4187 signed by soldier and immediate CO. Multiple waiver requests may be consolidated on one DA Form 4187.)

a. AGE – Soldiers 30 – 42 must request an age waiver. A simple statement such as "I request a waiver of age in order to be considered for OCS." is sufficient.

b. TIME IN SERVICE – Soldiers with 10 or more years active federal service must request a TIS waiver. The following must be stated: "I request a waiver of TIS in order to be considered for OCS. I understand that I may be required to retire after completing 20 years active Federal service and that I may not retire as a commissioned officer unless I have completed 10 years active Federal commissioned service."

[louis.quinones]

There was a new milper message that you have up to 42 years old now if you want to go to OCS. There are alot of new 2LTs here that are over the 40 yr old mark. Also they age waiver is also calculated by the active years of service you have e.g. if you are 40 with 6 years of active service; you are considered to be 34 years old. But again check with a recruiter, they are the best resource.

[grandseahawk]

louis.quinones and gdunn6...thank you very much for pointing this out.

I cannot speak for the rest of the Country, but the maximum age to Commision in the State of California in the Army National Guard is 41 and 364 days.

I have seen my waiver from Washinton DC to prove it. I will commission, pending completion of BCT and OCS, when I am 40 1/2. I am not prior service and am doing this for the real-life, practical leadership skills I will be learning. I still have almost 20 years left in my Civil Service job to use these skills.

This is a great discussion!

[kennedy]

Hey do you think if I knock on some doors I can be like him I have a masters in engineering and a bachelors in geology from Oxford University. I also have 9 years service in the British Army, so will they give one to me as well LOL **** I will stick to being an E3 its nice to know I am smarter than most of the Officers above me.

[louis.quinones]

hey with a name like yours, you should shoot for POTUS ;p regardless if you are not native born.

cherio mate!!

[louis.quinones]

it might go up to 45 :)

[kennedy]

hey with a name like yours, you should shoot for POTUS ;p regardless if you are not native born.

cherio mate!!


Lol I was just getting my I.D card today and my recruiter was telling me to go for that as well so I am thinking about it thanx

[matthew.ritchie]

There was a new milper message that you have up to 42 years old now if you want to go to OCS. There are alot of new 2LTs here that are over the 40 yr old mark. Also they age waiver is also calculated by the active years of service you have e.g. if you are 40 with 6 years of active service; you are considered to be 34 years old. But again check with a recruiter, they are the best resource.

The original thread here started about two years ago, so the situation has changed. Max age for basic branch commissioning with age waiver is the day prior to one's 42d birthday. I trust that this is obvious to everyone that one should start the process at least six months or more prior to that birthday.

In the off chance that we have any medical doctors or Catholic priests or rabbis reading this message, please note that chaplains and medical professionals are covered by additional provisions of law and regulation, allowing initial appointment at higher ages than 42.

[louis.quinones]

Sir,

I got on to this website since I saw alot of questions about people interested in the 251A field. If you come across any, you can direct them to me since I am experiencing this all at ground zero.

V/r,

Mr. Quinones