Special Agent in the Army National Guard

[Smoking rabbit]

I was wondering how many Warrant Officer specialty fields there are? I heard CID special agent was an interesting field of law enforcement. What type of degrees is required to become a special agent? Is this field very similar to a State Government or Federal level law enforcement?

[RedLeg]

Start here: http://www.cid.army.mil/

[Wobbly Emu]

I talked to my state WO recruiter, who in turn talked to the CID proponent, a CW5. If you haven't been to CID school as an enlisted soldier, you will not be considered for the WO side.

[ParalegalNCO1]

I talked to my state WO recruiter, who in turn talked to the CID proponent, a CW5. If you haven't been to CID school as an enlisted soldier, you will not be considered for the WO side.

There are two exceptions. Those who are MPI (Military Police Investigator) experience, and other civilian Federal Agents. If you are an ATF agent and they allow you to be in the Guard, CID will consider you for WO.

[Wobbly Emu]

That's good news then. The recruiter told me of a soldier who was DEA agent who was denied, but again this was late '09 - early '10.

Para, to your knowledge, has the Guard reduced or eliminated the college requirement? I believe at the time it was 60 credits at one time.

[RedLeg]

Wobby, find out who the proponent is for RC warrant accessions and contact him about your chances. Also, see if can't contact a local CID det commander and ask about your chances.

I saw an e-mail where he's really cracking down and not wanting to see substandard packets come through (I know, I've looked into reverting to CID WO as well).

[ParalegalNCO1]

It would depend on their numbers as usual with any thing else. Generally speaing in this field the requirements are the same for all three components, CID couldn't be any more picky but they can waive to 60 credits. Chances of getting this position unless you are a current or very recent enlisted agent are very slim to none. I have never seen a commisioned officer revert to CID warrant, as they do in many career fields. You have to remember you will essentially be a team leader/lead investigator for a team of federal agents. I worked as a CID intern trying to get into the program before all the deployment hype started back in 2001. Greatest job in the Army as far as I am concerned. On active duty you are wearing regular clothes everyday, don't release your rank, gun goes home with you, off duty carry is authorized, federal badge and credentials, and your jurisdiciton doesn't stop at the gate. Worked with the local FBI agents alot too.

My talks with some of the National Guard CID guys have revelead that the state, with also give you a set of credentials from the TAG to investigate while in a state status. California actually has some AGR CID.

[Wobbly Emu]

Thanks for the info, gents.

I agree that it will probably depend on how recent the schooling and case work was (mine began pre-Desert Storm - YIKES!), AND as a Jarhead no less. Talk about a double whammy. Not to mention that Marine CID runs mostly the same type of work as MPI (read: no felony crimes) as they are referred to NCIS.

But on the other side of the coin, there have been two WO slots here in Georgia that have remained unmanned since 2005(?), give or take. Both are with a MEB: one a Protection Officer and the other a Criminal Intel slot.

I'm in mobilization mode right now, but I'll reach out to the recruiter about 6 months out from de-mob to see what he says.

[ParalegalNCO1]

Thanks for the info, gents.

I agree that it will probably depend on how recent the schooling and case work was (mine began pre-Desert Storm - YIKES!), AND as a Jarhead no less. Talk about a double whammy. Not to mention that Marine CID runs mostly the same type of work as MPI (read: no felony crimes) as they are referred to NCIS.

But on the other side of the coin, there have been two WO slots here in Georgia that have remained unmanned since 2005(?), give or take. Both are with a MEB: one a Protection Officer and the other a Criminal Intel slot.

I'm in mobilization mode right now, but I'll reach out to the recruiter about 6 months out from de-mob to see what he says.

You really need to reach out to CID Accredidation branch. With this MOS, recruiters have zero say.

[Chief Kemosabe]

Thanks for the info, gents.

I agree that it will probably depend on how recent the schooling and case work was (mine began pre-Desert Storm - YIKES!), AND as a Jarhead no less. Talk about a double whammy. Not to mention that Marine CID runs mostly the same type of work as MPI (read: no felony crimes) as they are referred to NCIS.

But on the other side of the coin, there have been two WO slots here in Georgia that have remained unmanned since 2005(?), give or take. Both are with a MEB: one a Protection Officer and the other a Criminal Intel slot.

I'm in mobilization mode right now, but I'll reach out to the recruiter about 6 months out from de-mob to see what he says.

I thought the Marines were under NIS/NCIS. Learned something new again.

[RedLeg]

I have never seen a commisioned officer revert to CID warrant, as they do in many career fields.

I talked to the CW5 proponent for active duty and she said they have had a few CPT's revert but it's rare becuase they usually lack the technical knowledge.

Talking with both AC/RC warrants, it's really your resume that sells your packet.

[ParalegalNCO1]

I thought the Marines were under NIS/NCIS. Learned something new again.

They do now, but it hasnt always been that way. There used to be an actual Marine CID that was absorbed by NCIS.

[AirborneInfantry82]

I know it's been some time since this thread has been used, but I'm trying to find out if there is a CID unit in the Indiana ARNG. I'm a prior AD airborne infantryman, have my BA, and am now a LEO for the state. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

[ParalegalNCO1]

I know it's been some time since this thread has been used, but I'm trying to find out if there is a CID unit in the Indiana ARNG. I'm a prior AD airborne infantryman, have my BA, and am now a LEO for the state. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

The only states that have ARNG CID are TX, CA, MO.

The only CID Field office in Indiana is a civilian office that does fraud investigations.

[AirborneInfantry82]

Thank you for the quick reply/bad news!

[braden.stockham]

There is also the Counterintelligence (CI) Special Agent route which the guard usually has a few more slots for in various MI units. I am both a civilian police officer and guard CI Special Agent currently on active duty orders in a CI Field Office. The MOS code for CI SA is 35L. Unlike CID, CI only investigates national security crimes such as espionage, sedition, subversion, treason, and international terrorist organizations (in the Air Force and Navy, these two investigative unit types are combined in OSI and NCIS). We also investigate for possible exploitation (not just prosecution).

The selection is similar to CID and also requires a rank of E5 after graduating the Special Agent Course to be accredited as a Special Agent. I think its a rewarding MOS, however the only real problem I see is that at the guard level you really never get to be an agent in an "investigative status" unless you go on an active duty (title 10) mission. This is also unlike CID because even reserve/national guard CID Agents get their badge/credentials and are considered in an investigative status even when not on title 10 orders. This is something we hope can be changed in the future with the state TAG and NGB regarding Guard CI Agents.

Hope this helps.

[Chief Kemosabe]

I talked to my state WO recruiter, who in turn talked to the CID proponent, a CW5. If you haven't been to CID school as an enlisted soldier, you will not be considered for the WO side.

Hey battle, thanks for the kind words on my other posts. Been dealing with so much since my return. Usually two years of enlisted CID (as an NCO) is required before applying for WO but there are always exceptions. Proponent will vet the packet to check to see if it will board.

The last Army Times active call to duty was looking heavyly for CID WOs

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/11/army-reserve-officers-get-chance-at-regular-army-112012/

Warrant officers included are:
• Chief warrant officers 2 and 3 in specialties 311A (Criminal Investigation Command special agent), 153D (UH-60 pilot) and 153M (UH-60M pilot).
• 152H (AH-64 pilot) with skill qualification identifier C, H, G or I.
• Military occupational specialties 154D and 154F (CH-47 pilot) with SQI F, G, H or L.
• Warrant officers 1 through 5 who hold MOS 150U (unmanned aircraft systems operations technician).
Officers must meet these criteria:
• Captains — the active or reserve Captains Career Course.
• Majors — completion of the applicable active- or reserve-component Intermediate Level Education course.
• Chief warrant officers 3 in MOS 311A — be graduates of the Warrant Officer Advanced Course; have at least three years time in grade, be accredited special agents, and have at least 60 hours of college credit.
• Chief warrant officers 2 in MOS 311A — have at least three years time in grade, be accredited special agents and have at least 60 hours of college credit.

[ParalegalNCO1]

This is also unlike CID because even reserve/national guard CID Agents get their badge/credentials and are considered in an investigative status even when not on title 10 orders.

Just wanted to add to this. Army CID specifically prohibits Agents carrying their badge and creds when not on active duty. So unless a USAR agent is activly investigating something, the creds stay locked up at the unit. A national guard agent is issued a second set of credentials from the state, for conducting investigations in a Title 32 status. Their true Army CID creds also remain locked up at the unit.

[braden.stockham]

Just wanted to add to this. Army CID specifically prohibits Agents carrying their badge and creds when not on active duty. So unless a USAR agent is activly investigating something, the creds stay locked up at the unit. A national guard agent is issued a second set of credentials from the state, for conducting investigations in a Title 32 status. Their true Army CID creds also remain locked up at the unit.

I have two friends who are guard CID agents, I had no idea they had two different sets of creds... Interesting. For CI Special Agents, we don't have any "state creds" just active duty ones. I have actually met quite a few CI Agents who have never even seen there badge & credentials because they have never been on Title 10 orders (came from a different MOS and reclassed into 35L in the guard).

FYI: We have WO's as well who like CID either take the role of a Special Agent in Charge or Operations Officer. The WO MOS for CI SA is 351L.

[ParalegalNCO1]

I have two friends who are guard CID agents, I had no idea they had two different sets of creds... Interesting. For CI Special Agents, we don't have any "state creds" just active duty ones. I have actually met quite a few CI Agents who have never even seen there badge & credentials because they have never been on Title 10 orders (came from a different MOS and reclassed into 35L in the guard).

FYI: We have WO's as well who like CID either take the role of a Special Agent in Charge or Operations Officer. The WO MOS for CI SA is 351L.

We have only three states that have CID units. All three may not issue a second set, but I know for a fact that CA does. They are drawn off the authority of the TAG because title 32 agents would have no authority to investigate violations of the UCMJ since the guard is not subject to the code. So in order to enforce what ever state code they have, they must be empowered to do so, hence they have a second set of creds.