Close Quarter Combat- Hand to Hand

[Sabai2]

Attention!
Too All Hardchargers on Deck!

What is the best Martial Arts Style to Study for realistic hand to hand Combat Training?

Jiu Jitsu? Judo? Krav Maga? etc........

All input is highly appreciated.

[VTguard]

The current army doctrine for hand-to-hand combat (Modern Army Combatives) is based on the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu doctrine. The Army combined the basic Jiu-Jitsu style with throws and takedown of judo and wrestling and the stikes of boxing and Muay Thai. The doctrine was published in 2002. Here's an online version of the field manual:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-25-150/index.html

[Sabai2]

The input, and link our both highly appreciated.

[marine]

My unofficial opine is that any street fighting/wrestling/shooting based style has zero combat utility. For low intensity or limited engagements such as peace keeping operations, it is perfect, but for combat engagements you must think of the situations it would be utilized: no ammo, overrun, etc.

You literally have seconds to ****.

You cannot afford the down to the ground like Royce Gracie and choke out the enemy until they tap out. You have seconds to take him on, **** him, and move on to the next enemy.

You must **** in seconds.

The USMC Linear Infighting Neural Override Engagement (LINE) was designed to **** people in seconds. It’s why you'll see------- on rare occasion-------- a Marine beaten in a bar fight. Quite simply ---because we train to ****, and it’s not appropriate to whip out the LINE on a drunk in a bar.

Now having said that, don’t get in bar fights.

and any training is GREAT! You'll have that arrow in your quiver and it'll make you a better Soldier.

Without debating any particular one over the other or merits I like the Krav for its practicality.

[VTguard]

True enough, marine...but not all combatives techniques are designed to ****. Many submission holds, and pressure points are used to incapacitate the adversary or gain compliance. The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu techniques (yes Royce Gracie) specialize in submission holds and pressure points that are very effecitve when used to disarm an adversary or quickly gain the upper hand while you reach for a sidearm or knife. Concequently, these techniques can be use in a "bar fight" to subdue a rowdy drunk without yourself getting kicked out, or worse yet....spilling your beer!:eek:

[marine]

good point and Agreed!

[Dunkel]

The short answer...stay away from anything for which the name is an acronym. This includes SCARS or SAFTA. I've only read a little about LINE, but the little I have read leads me to believe there's nothing magical there that you can't get from somewhere else. Some of the stuff sounds similar to Krav.

Anyway, stay away from strip mall martial arts schools, but I suspect you knew that already.

Sambo, BJJ or Krav would be my top 3 picks, if I had to pick just one to train, depending on what was available. Best answer is to cross train. I know it's not the same, obviously, but watch the top UFC or Pride champions...they are good boxers, have good kicks, takedowns, ground work, submissions, etc. Have more tools in your toolbox than you think you'll need...better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

[NightStalker14]

If you want a true combative system, use what the Army teaches you. The Army's been around for a long time, they know what works.

Marine, you're right about LINE. Good system, brutal and efficient. I have the TM and it's a good system.

My advice? Pull a knife. Against an untrained opponent who has no knife or no experience against one, a knife is terrifying. He'll do more than half the work for you.

[Duende]

Knife fighting...

Where the loser dies on the scene, the winner dies at the hospital.

[marine]

Nightstalker

You are right. NEVER FIGHT FAIR

The LINE provides both sh-thot knife fighting and defense against a knifed opponent.

Main concept?

Grip!

Grab the knife with the blade facing forward to the enemy and under your fist as opposed to above your fist: think 'hacker' and not 'stabber'----
----and then fight as you normally would, throwing punches, just aiming slightly off center.

a punch becomes a slash to the face or a slit to the throat.

want to get fancy? rotate the grip in your hand once your fully extended and thru, the blade will turn facing you and pull back.

your enemy is now 9/10 of his former self.

no special routines. quick efficent and deadly.

Thats the genuis of LINE simple efficency that requires minimal memory or moving parts..and with all things...the less friction, the better.

Some of these systems are marketing efforts. some are so complex the chances of pulling them off with an active combantant are nill. some are plain silly overkill. the whole Steven Segal use your hand and 'Akido' it back and slash your own throat?

Afix Bayonets!!!

[Towely]

Nightstalker

You are right. NEVER FIGHT FAIR

The LINE provides both sh-thot knife fighting and defense against a knifed opponent.

Main concept?

Grip!

Grab the knife with the blade facing forward to the enemy and under your fist as opposed to above your fist: think 'hacker' and not 'stabber'----
----and then fight as you normally would, throwing punches, just aiming slightly off center.

a punch becomes a slash to the face or a slit to the throat.

want to get fancy? rotate the grip in your hand once your fully extended and thru, the blade will turn facing you and pull back.

your enemy is now 9/10 of his former self.

no special routines. quick efficent and deadly.

Thats the genuis of LINE simple efficency that requires minimal memory or moving parts..and with all things...the less friction, the better.

Some of these systems are marketing efforts. some are so complex the chances of pulling them off with an active combantant are nill. some are plain silly overkill. the whole Steven Segal use your hand and 'Akido' it back and slash your own throat?

Afix Bayonets!!!


I agree with all of that but I was never taught to hold the knife 'under' fist. I was always taught to keep it pointed out(between thumb and pointing finger). Don't stab though. Slash. This gives u extra reach and its easier to transition the knife from blade on the left side to blade on the right.

[Chap]

Best? Well The best in my opinion.................

MIYAMA RYU JUJUTSU


http://youtube.com/watch?v=uymIi93hqmU

Come train with me..........

[JB27]

I agree marine. Jujitsui can be effective but you really have to train consistently. If you do that it really works in my opinion. chokes, armbars, but if you just try to remember the little you learned at basic when in a real fight good luck. I am a golden glove boxer so Id probably try to stay on my feet. I am going to train jujitsu/mma but after AT and then airborne school. Don't want to pay money and not be there because I have to sign a year contract. BUt hek yea pack a knife. I live in Jersey City didn't need the army to teach me that. Hooah

[Sgt0231]

Ahhh that good ol' motivating Marine Corps LINE training!!!

I loved it. I never really experienced the new Marine Corps Martial Arts system. They were in the early stages of implementation when I got out. It didn't impress me much.

Call me old fashioned, but I always preferred the good ol grab twist pull ;)

[Jarhead1055]

Well here is my thoughts on H2H combat, if they present it to you break it off,
If they dont break it anyway.... Let him die for his country

[jrgillespie630]

I am learning Chinese Kempo also known as (Kenpo) I find it very effective. It's fast pace and designed to immobilize a subject fast. It focuses aot on pressure points and quick strikes.

[SteveLord]

Is this dig up old threads day?

[jrgillespie630]

Is this dig up old threads day?

It totally seems like it, but they are new threads to me.

[Chaplain4me]

the bayonet of'course.

[WO1 Quinones]

we had level I combatives training today for PT but it was cancelled and will continue tomorrow. I like being in sterile ACUs at 0530 lol

[WIBecky74]

We had combatives a few days ago at MOB with our small pox vaccine and all. lol They gave us a zillion briefs on how to not get close to someone with the vaccine for a month and then had us rolling around together. One of the briefs included not to lick one anothers spot. WTF?