Can I Get In?

[ArmyNG85]

Edit: I've deleted the original post because I didn't want to give away too much personal information on a public forum.

[HR NCO]

Ok...just to be honest with you, right now you dont really have much chance of joining. A waiver would be required and right now, they just arent happening.

[ArmyNG85]

Thank you for the help. I started the National Archives process since I know for a fact I was never given a DD214. I was sent via certified mail 6 copies of NGB Form 22 EF and at the top of the paperwork it says "Report of Separation and Record of Service". This is the only paperwork to date that I was ever given in regards to my discharge. I understand the waiver situation but after talking with a military lawyer, I was told that I might have a chance. I'm just looking for some reassuring that it's actually possible because I want this more than anything. Thanks again for any help.

[andrew.tischner]

A) There is no such thing as a Honorable Entry Level Seperation. Entry Level Seperations are uncharaterized. Meaning that you did not have enough time in service to receive a charaterization of service such as honorable.

B) You did receive a DD214, you need to locate this and take it to a recruiter. I suggest retrieving a copy from the National Archives.


Actualy Sir with his story he might not have recieved a DD214 as he was barely on active duty.

You take a Drug test at meps and the test results are avaible within 3 days.

They do not process DD214s for people with less that a week in service usualy. So the NGB 22 makes sense on the story.

[andrew.tischner]

NGB form 22 is the equivalent to a DD214 for the National Guard.

That form proves you were in the service and what your discharge was, you will not need a DD 214 to try and process into the national Guard.

But on the other hand you were discharged for Drug usage, And like RSP NCO said, there are no waivers being done for any, and I mean any, drug or morale prior service issues

[ArmyNG85]

So I guess my only chances are to find a recruiter who will really work with me or join the Marines?

[andrew.tischner]

Well its not even finding a recruiter, the National Guard is not doing any drug waivers at all from the NGB level, which yours would require.

[ArmyNG85]

Realistically and honestly, about how long do you think it will be before they allow a waiver for my situation? Within the next 2 years? Sigh...I guess I can always continue working on my college degree.

[andrew.tischner]

I honestly cannot say.

I do not make the policy only enforce it.

You can always try other services and they might be able to do something for you. Maybe the Army reserves? I really do not know.

[ArmyNG85]

I appreciate your help andrew. I am going to do EVERYTHING I can to succeed. I will go to various recruiters and different branches one by one and plead my case. I can't think of anything else in life right now that I want more than to be in the military. For me it's not a matter of getting in...it's just a matter of when, how, and which branch. As much as I know the military is gaining better recruits from the waiver restriction, they're also missing out on a lot of good candidates that deserve a second chance...isn't that why the waiver process was created in the first place? I'm sure that most of you probably serve or have served with someone along the line that got in with a waiver. I guess when the recruiting numbers start to go down for the branches, they might change their policy? I can only hope.

[Chaplain4me]

Thank you for the clarification SSG.

I think he should request his service record from the National Archives.

[ArmyNG85]

I requested it today Chaplain. I will post when I receive it.

[Chaplain4me]

It should come on a CD.

[ArmyNG85]

Thanks for the information. I won't give up on this. I'm a determined white boy.

[KMANinTX]

So I guess my only chances are to find a recruiter who will really work with me or join the Marines?

Good luck with that one.....

My nephew just enlisted in the Marines and is on a wait until fiscal in Oct to go to boot. Too many Marines.....no money.

[andrew.tischner]

Thanks for the information. I won't give up on this. I'm a determined white boy.


Just take your NGB 22 to a Recruiting station, go to the Army office, ask for the station commander or the reserve recruiter. Show it to them they will give you a yes or no answer.

If you get a no answer, walk out the door, down the hall to the marines. Show them and see.

Like I said before The entire army as a whole is not really doing drug or High level morale waivers.

The airforce is just as strict if not more so.

The marines are still strict but they might take you as I cannot comment on their enlistment criteria.

Also if you find a willing recruiter you can try for an "exception to policy" this is higher than a waiver, and really over rides a waiver.

These are EXTREMELY rare. Do not get your hopes up. But its a option.

[xmp]

Just wait until another war kicks off and you will get your waiver. I am pretty much in same boat, when they need you, ie: supply and demand, war kicks off, etc....you will be let in, until then, we have to just live with the choices we made to get us where we are out now.

[ArmyNG85]

To each their own. I won't be giving up anytime soon. Good luck to you.

[ArmyNG85]

I finally got something in the mail from the National Archives. It appears they have no record of me at all, so is that a good thing in my case?

[ArmyNG85]

Would it be safe to say that I could go to the recruiter as if I had never been in the service? The fact that the National Archives doesn't have anything on me after 3 years and there is no mention of RE-4 or anything related on my separation paperwork, gives me some hope. However, I don't know if the background check will bring up my separation from the ANG or not. I want to be as up front and honest to the recruiter as I can be. What do you guys think? Feel free to respond or send me a private message. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[ArmyNG85]

tough crowd...:confused:

[KMANinTX]

tough crowd...:confused:

No, you've been already told what's up. Now you are talking about being dishonest about trying to get back in.......:rolleyes:

[ArmyNG85]

The "tough crowd" comment was because of the lack of response or help after I twice asked for it (last two posts on page 2). I understand that people aren't always on the forums 24/7 but within a few days, I'd expect to see some kind of feedback. I said that I would post again once I found out something from the National Archives. I'm not talking about being dishonest to get back in so I'm not sure where you got that from....? I asked for advice, hence the "What do you guys think?" 3 posts earlier because my situation is unique.

You've misunderstood my posts and I'm sorry for that but don't accuse me of trying to be dishonest because that couldn't be further from the truth. I have integrity and just want to know the best way to go about trying to get back in. I find it very unusual that the National Archives has nothing on me and the only thing on my separation paperwork is ASVAB scores, no RE-4 or the word "drug" anywhere. I know I've been given some advice already but now that I've added some new information, I wanted feedback or guidance.

I'm not full of myself but I'm pretty sure that I'm more qualified for military service than at least 75% of the people who walk into an Army recruiters office to enlist. I base this on my physical status, mental toughness, integrity, education, and accomplishments. I'm not worried about basic or OSUT in the slightest bit...I know what to expect because I've had a taste of it already. The mental game won't have any effect on me and the physical stuff I'm already preparing for. My grandfather has told me story after story of his experiences as a Marine in the Pacific front of WWII...both of my parents served honorably in the ANG/Air Force with 20+ years....I want more than anything in the world, to follow in their footsteps and proudly serve the country that I love so much. All I'm asking for is for some input or feedback from the people whom I respect and admire...is that too much to ask?

[7011USMC]

Would it be safe to say that I could go to the recruiter as if I had never been in the service? The fact that the National Archives doesn't have anything on me after 3 years and there is no mention of RE-4 or anything related on my separation paperwork, gives me some hope. However, I don't know if the background check will bring up my separation from the ANG or not. I want to be as up front and honest to the recruiter as I can be. What do you guys think? Feel free to respond or send me a private message. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Tough crowd? RE4 from the Army is a "when h-e-l-l freezes over" which is never! Live your life dawg and move on. If you have a degree then apply for a civil service job; Work for the army as a civilian. Join your state militia/guard (similar to volunteer fire dept.) no pay but your affiliated with the guard.

Don't waste the time of a recruiter playing a word game or "what if". Trust me if your aunt had balls she would be your uncle. Just let it go Joe....you had your time and a second chance would be nice. However, so would be winning the lottery which you may have a better chance of doing than re-upping in the guard. Sorry man just keeping it real.

[ArmyNG85]

I don't have an RE-4. Thanks for your response though.

[7011USMC]

I don't have an RE-4. Thanks for your response though.

Just repeating....your post ......:D

[ArmyNG85]

Just take your NGB 22 to a Recruiting station, go to the Army office, ask for the station commander or the reserve recruiter. Show it to them they will give you a yes or no answer.

If you get a no answer, walk out the door, down the hall to the marines. Show them and see.

Like I said before The entire army as a whole is not really doing drug or High level morale waivers.

The airforce is just as strict if not more so.

The marines are still strict but they might take you as I cannot comment on their enlistment criteria.

Also if you find a willing recruiter you can try for an "exception to policy" this is higher than a waiver, and really over rides a waiver.

These are EXTREMELY rare. Do not get your hopes up. But its a option.

This has been the most helpful post so far. I just wanted some additional feedback. I'm already working with a recruiter so I'll let you know when I'm back in.:D

[7011USMC]

This has been the most helpful post so far. I'll let you know when I'm back in.:D

I don't give a rats ***** one way or another:D. If that is the most helpful post then why havent you done it yet? However you posted what you posted; So don't be surprised that MOST on here wont coddle you.

[ArmyNG85]

I don't give a rats ***** one way or another:D. If that is the most helpful post then why havent you done it yet? However you posted what you posted; So don't be surprised that MOST on here wont coddle you.

lol good military bearing...I see the military didn't teach you too much. I haven't done it yet because it's May and I'm still in college until the term ends. I posted what I posted...what is that supposed to mean? I think I'm done posting questions on here if this is the kind of response I'm going to get.Thanks for your two cents though. Have a good evening and thank you for your service. :rolleyes:

[7011USMC]

lol good military bearing...I see the military didn't teach you too much. I haven't done it yet because it's May and I'm still in college until the term ends. I'm done posting on here. Thanks for your two cents though.:rolleyes:

LOL...once again like I really value what you think, care, or say. I bet the family is proud of all your accomplishments I know I am:rolleyes:

[ArmyNG85]

LOL...once again like I really value what you think, care, or say. I bet the family is proud of all your accomplishments I know I am:rolleyes:

...and do you think I value what you think, care, or say? Not a chance. They're very proud of me and I'm happy that you are too. I'd compare my list of accomplishments with you but judging from your attitude, I doubt you have many (but of course I know you don't care). However, you must care what I say because I've affected you enough to keep responding to my posts. It's not bothering me in the slightest but I do find it quite amusing. I'll get the popcorn and soda ready because I'm sure your next post is gonna be a hoot. Have a wonderful evening sir and thanks again for your service to country. LOL ;)

[7011USMC]

...and do you think I value what you think, care, or say? Not a chance. They're very proud of me and I'm happy that you are too. You must care what I say because I've affected you enough to keep responding to my posts. LOL ;)

You are good....Actually I enjoy being cantankerous. My past time is responding to post like these...Sometimes its hard to get past stupid.

[ArmyNG85]

You are good....Actually I enjoy being cantankerous. My past time is responding to post like these...Sometimes its hard to get past stupid.

LOL touche sir.

[7011USMC]

LOL tu che.

Your alright kid....just keep on keeping on! Get that education and never quit dreaming.:cool:

[Mr_Loki]

A FYI, most of us that respond on this forum work for the Guard full time. That being said, we don't work on weekends and I don't know about them, but I maybe go on the board once or twice to make sure the Devil Dog above me didnt blow up the place. =D

Be patient and you will get your response. It is not our job to get you in the Army but we will help as long as you give us the information.

[ArmyNG85]

A FYI, most of us that respond on this forum work for the Guard full time. That being said, we don't work on weekends and I don't know about them, but I maybe go on the board once or twice to make sure the Devil Dog above me didnt blow up the place. =D

Be patient and you will get your response. It is not our job to get you in the Army but we will help as long as you give us the information.

I appreciate the response. My parents were active duty for a long time so I have some idea of how hard you all work and I do appreciate it. When I see things on the news like this latest car **** attempt in NYC, it gets me even more motivated to serve and keep the fight out of our country. I would volunteer for deployment just for the satisfaction of knowing that some other man or woman gets to go home to their family. I hope to get the ball rolling in a few weeks once my college term is over.

[PalatialGabe]

I've been in over 5 years now and don't know what a RE-4 is.

[show_stopper999]

An RE-4 is the equivelant of a permaban from the service, which the guard will sometimes waive.

[Mr_Loki]

ROFL, To be honest, I didnt know what that was until Chaplain4Me got in to service.


An RE-4 is the equivelant of a permaban from the service, which the guard will sometimes waive.

So, it's not a permaban if it can be waived >.> Unless we are "perma-banning" the spammers.

[HR NCO]

I've been in over 5 years now and don't know what a RE-4 is.


LOL

I dont know why but that really made me laugh.