19 with an RE-4

[NCE2]

Hey this is my fist post and I'm trying not to ask anything that has already been talked about but I have had no luck anywhere else. I was honorably discharged from the USN with an RE-4 JFV on Dec 10, 08. The local recruiter here has been no help in giving me information and not only ignoring me but a friend of mine who is trying to get into Jag and is a sure thing. I was giving a link to the Army Review Board agency by a hero on call on the ARNG site, I’ve heard that I can have my RE code changed but I haven’t read much in to it because I'm not sure if I have to get it changed by the Army or the Navy?

I also was wondering does anyone think that the ARNG will be accepting waivers for RE-4s since more troops are being sent over seas?

Any advice would help, I’m 19 and I’m trying to get in the ARNG as an 11B

[Chaplain4me]

Where to start?

The recuiter is ignoring you because you have serious issues, he's ignoring your friend becuase he's not the JAG recruiter.

You need to follow my advice in the thread: What to do if you have and RE-4.

I'm going to be bruttally honest. You're probably done for now.

Unless there is grave inequity in your discharge the NDRB is not going to change it. It's only been a year.

The only bright spot is that if you were in the army you may have gotten an RE3.

If I were you I would set other amibitions. By all means, talk to recuiters, but right now is not a good time to enlist for re4s with record recruiting and retention numbers, surge or no surge.

Follow my advice in the prior service section, what to do if you have an RE4.

[Mom's Mistake]

I agree with Chaplain. I'd try a recruiter again in a month or two to see if RE4s are being accepted or not. The recruiter will have the latest information for your state.

[NCE2]

How do I apply for a discharge review in with the USN?

[BlueSoldier32]

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION ABOVE FOR RE-4!

There are no less than 100+ threads from very reputible sources concerning RE-4 codes on this site. Current word (which is the only one that matters, everything else about the future is speculation) is NO WAIVERS!

Has the physical condition improved and have you been checked out by an independent medical professional? If your condition interferred with the performace of your duties before, even if they were accepting waivers, has your condition improved to the point that you could go "hump" your gear for 18 hours straight through the mountains of Afghanistan?

I was prior NG then went active Navy. Let me tell you, even the weekend warrior stuff the NG does is 1000% harder than anything any non-SEAL or non-SEABEE did in the Navy. If you couldn't perform your Navy duties because of a physical limitation........??????

Again, keep reading the forum because there are some great recruiters on here that have all the hard answers. RE-4 "Ineligible for reenlistment" is pretty cut and dry.

[Chaplain4me]

fill out form DD 293 correctly and send it in, shipmate. anchors aweigh

[NCE2]

DD 293, I would get that from where? Sorry to ask a question after you have given me a very helpful answer I just want to get things 100% right the first time.
I had no problems in the USN I was only in a short time but I was one of the most liked and trusted because I have a no BS attitude when it comes to completing something. What I was discharged for is no longer an issue. I’m more physical fit than I’ve ever been in my life that’s never been an issue. I’m more than capable to serve but my RE code is holding me back.
Thank you for the help everyone

[Chaplain4me]

google it.

[NCE2]

Thanks, I found exactly what you suggested and I was looking for. On the form it has a list of places that will provide legal council free of charge like Veterans of foreign wars, did you use any legal help, if not how did you do on your own?

[Chaplain4me]

nope, and nope it didn't get changed. If you got 5K hire a lawyer, either way don't get your hopes up. Just be VERY thurough in your filling out the form and submitting evidence.

[show_stopper999]

Chaplain is the one to talk too about RE-4's so I suggest you read that thread he's talking about.

For now, RE-4 waivers are not permitted. Waivers in general are very limited. Minor misconduct and discharge narratives that are state level only are being processed, but that's about it.

[Chaplain4me]

Yep I sure am.

My saying is, "Stupid is, as stupid does."

And getting a RE4, is pretty stupid.

I've been known to be pretty stupid in my younger years.

[NCE2]

Well I didnt do anything stupid to get my RE-4, Stuff happens. Hopefully I will get everything worked out. The form says that some places will provid legal council free of charge. Like the VFW and there is one right down the road from me so I am going to check that out

[7011USMC]

Well I didnt do anything stupid to get my RE-4, Stuff happens. Hopefully I will get everything worked out. The form says that some places will provid legal council free of charge. Like the VFW and there is one right down the road from me so I am going to check that out

Take responsiblity and man up. You got your RE-4 for a reason and the first step to recovery is admitting fault (not DENIAL).

Popeye has been there and done that. Gave you awesome information and guidance. Word to wise; It is a feeding frenzy on this site. People will pounce on ignorance and stupidity.

Now go in peace and square yourself away shipmate! Good luck and hopefully if you get another opportunity DONT BLOW IT this time.

[SuperSoldier]

Yep I sure am.

My saying is, "Stupid is, as stupid does."

And getting a RE4, is pretty stupid.

I've been known to be pretty stupid in my younger years.

Although that may be true in most cases, the Navy is very well known for giving out RE-4's to most everyone they discharge. "If you're not good enough for the Navy, you're not good enough for any branch of the armed services." Which lets face it, that's not true. There are plenty of people who were given a second chance and did nothing short of an impressive job.

My advice to NCE2 is to just wait it out for now. Chances of getting your RE code changed are about the same as finding gold in your backyard. Get some schooling under your belt and do some community service. Better yourself so when waivers are being accepted you'll have quite the resume established. And if you're so eager to serve now that won't change in 1, 6, or 12 months from now however long it take for waivers to be accepted again.

[NCE2]

I wont admit to doing anything wrong, Navy gives out alot of RE-4s like Supper solider said, so for that I wont admit to it being my fault. Im already enroled in collage taking basic classes simple things like that. Ive already talked to the VA and just got some paperwork from them and I have talked to the VFW about legal council, like I said on DD 293 it says that VFW will provide legal council at no charce to me so hopefuly that works out.

[KMANinTX]

I wont admit to doing anything wrong, Navy gives out alot of RE-4s like Supper solider said, so for that I wont admit to it being my fault. Im already enroled in collage taking basic classes simple things like that. Ive already talked to the VA and just got some paperwork from them and I have talked to the VFW about legal council, like I said on DD 293 it says that VFW will provide legal council at no charce to me so hopefuly that works out.


Everyone in Jail is not guilty of a crime too....hehehe

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it "enrolled in college?" Hope your enrolled in English 101....hehe

:p

[NCE2]

Haha thanks for that one

[Chaplain4me]

okay here's the low down.

The NDRB, does not change RE codes. Therefore, you must PROVE by EVIDENCE that your discharge was wrongfully given.

You didn't fight it, you couldn't train or didn't want to, you signed the discharge. You got seperated.

It's been ONE year. SOMETIMES discharges will be changed based on post service conduct. After say 8 years.

Obivously whatever the issue is, the navy thought it justified a permanent DQ. Navy bootcamp is a utter joke compared to Army bootcamp.

Which you haven't went into "what" your physical condition is? Asthma?

Is this conidtion going to keep from going on 12 mile road marches with a 70 pound ruck sack? Just think if you get to be the machine gunner, over 120 pounds mile after mile. Or mabye carry that joker up the side of a mountain in Afghanistan. This isn't floating around on a boat! We're talking about life and death here, closing with and destorying the enemy in close combat.

Obviously, you couldn't **** it up, and gave up in bootcamp. It's been ONE year! You're not ready for another try. Especially if you would find yourself doing footpartols in the Korengal. What are you going to say, "SSG, I can't go on foot patrol, my tum tum hurts!" Usually there is a wait before you can apply for a waiver.

I can guarantee, your discharge will NOT be changed. I encourage you to go to the navy website and look through the pervious decisions! They change less than 5%. Like I said, you signed the discharge, YOU gave up your rights, you agreed that the discharge was correct. Most of those that are changed are because the people have PROVED themselves after the fact, by post service conduct.

You have time to change your discharge, you'll have ONLY four chances. After that you're done.

If you have the chance to apply for a waiver for the army, you are going to have to PROVE that you no longer have that "condition" whatever it may be, whether it's the "give ups," or the "I quits," or even if it was a real condition. They too will consider what you've done with yourself. What you need to do is go to college, start a career, then if the door opens up to serve in the national guard do so. That's what I did. I was in your shoes 10 years ago. I went to college, graduated with honor, earned two degrees, started working in enrollment management, was promoted to director, supervised nine employees, managed the recruiting budgets, made presentations to groups up to 3,000, went to drug rehab, started my master's, was approved as a minister, enlisted, applied to be a chaplain candidate, was commissioned as a 2lt.

Not saying it can't be done because I did it.

But DO NOT think for ONE second you are entitled to another shot.

You can be all the Hooyah you want to be. ??? if the policy will change, you may get a shot earlier or later, mabye not at all. But don't think you're entitled one.

[NCE2]

First of all I never said I quit or gave up during basic. And the reenlistment codes were never explaned to me at any time during the discharge process. I didnt tell anyone what my condition was because I didnt want anyones opinion on it or I would have asked, I know what it is and if I thought I couldnt get back in I wouldnt try. I never said I was entitled another chance, but if I gave up I would be proving I'm not worth another shot. Nor did I bring up the subject of whether or not I am fit for combat I would have also asked. No one knows my back ground or what I have acomplished in my life. I simply asked an RE-4 question and I got my answer. Now I respectfuly request that if you have advice for me you give it to me, if not then I ask you leave the "i'm hard core" attitude to your self. Anyone willing to give me more productive advice Im more than willing to hear you out.

[mryan525]

First of all I never said I quit or gave up during basic. And the reenlistment codes were never explaned to me at any time during the discharge process. I didnt tell anyone what my condition was because I didnt want anyones opinion on it or I would have asked, I know what it is and if I thought I couldnt get back in I wouldnt try. I never said I was entitled another chance, but if I gave up I would be proving I'm not worth another shot. Nor did I bring up the subject of whether or not I am fit for combat I would have also asked. No one knows my back ground or what I have acomplished in my life. I simply asked an RE-4 question and I got my answer. Now I respectfuly request that if you have advice for me you give it to me, if not then I ask you leave the "i'm hard core" attitude to your self. Anyone willing to give me more productive advice Im more than willing to hear you out.


It's nothing against you personally..

You just literally are the 523,251,736,297th person to post on these forums saying something along the lines of "Hey I have an Re-4! Gimme a waiver and a plate of cookies right now!"

[KMANinTX]

As brutaly honest as Chap is being.....read between the lines and take the good with the bad. He's been there done that.

If you can't take his internet verbal lashing, you aren't ready for someone screaming the same thing point blank in your face at boot.

And...until you are totally frank with the forum, you are going to have people guessing. Take the guessing part out and you might get a better answer.....whether it's good or bad.

[hrotccadet]

Well I remember being told that it doesn't matter wether or not that you sign something because if your going to be discharged then your going to be discharged, plain and simple. Now I don't know what happened with you but from a person who was in a similiar position I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because who I'm I to judge. Now lets just look on a practical matter of something and that if your medical problem is still here then unfortunitly it's not going to let you get back in I mean thats always plain and simple as well but I don't see that being your fault because i doubt you induced this medical problem yourself.

my advice is simple first make sure this problem is cleared up, get yourself through school, do good positive things and you might be able to get back in.

[NCE2]

Yeah its not an issue any more, I'm gonna go get a clean bill of health as soon as I get the extra cash or the VA hospital paperwork comes back.

[7011USMC]

The Navy saw fit that this "tool bag" was worthless then and an embarrassment to world's best Navy. Why would they want to pass him off to the world's best Army? Conclusion great call by the Navy!

I mean how hard is it for you to fold your clothes? Make a rack?, or do you drill the 1-2-3-4 bring it on down. PT is a joke 1.5 sit-ups, and push-ups. OR in lieu of running you get the option of swimming.

Here is your advice go to "collage"(lol)....get your degree, and start living your new life.

Navy may give out RE4 like candy. I would too if I were a Killer Whale in the ocean with seals. Why should they give you a RE3 that is wavierable? You wasted their time, energy, and money on the same ole "sheoit birds".

Amazing when tough gets going the weak starts shifting. Amazing. Navy boot camp is the easiest of them all. In closing No backbone, heart, or will power = a RE4. Be grateful you got an Honorable and call it the day.

[BlueSoldier32]

Come on guys, give the kid a break (insert sarcastic voice here) he didn't ring the bell, it was medical, they made him leave (wink, wink). He didn't know what he was signing, but he signed it anyway, just like that 25% auto loan at Great Lakes Auto Sales, and the adjustable rate mortgage. Isn't there anyone who can bail him out???? Come on guys!!!!

Coming from someone who as been in both the NG and AD NAVY (hence, BlueSoldier) I can tell you that if you didn't make it in the Navy, you won't last one drill. Also, your attitude and inability to take criticism and trash talking show your immaturity and lack of backbone. Army BCT would eat you up and spit you out. The Navy doesn't discharge for medical unless it's something EXTREMELY serious, in which case you wouldn't be able to come back anyway, or if it was for emotional/mental menstruation. The emotional/mentail menstruation is why they give RE-4's, they don't want you to become someone else's problem down the road. The Navy does hand out RE-4's like candy, but they're just giving candy to the babies. I had never seen so many discharges in my life until I got to my first ship. But then again, because Boot and 'A' school are so lax, I had also never seen such lack of discipline. Stupid kids doing stupid sh*1!

You say you don't want to be judged, yet you keep coming back for more. Again, a sign of your maturity. Good luck, maybe the Coast Guard is looking for some drop outs??? Just don't ring the bell again.........

[Hanson]

Well I remember being told that it doesn't matter wether or not that you sign something because if your going to be discharged then your going to be discharged, plain and simple. Now I don't know what happened with you but from a person who was in a similiar position I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because who I'm I to judge. Now lets just look on a practical matter of something and that if your medical problem is still here then unfortunitly it's not going to let you get back in I mean thats always plain and simple as well but I don't see that being your fault because i doubt you induced this medical problem yourself.

my advice is simple first make sure this problem is cleared up, get yourself through school, do good positive things and you might be able to get back in.

That's about right. I had a similar situation, but mine was an RE3 from the Army. Even then, the waiver process of getting back in because of the prior medical stuff was pretty nasty. Good luck. If it's something you want to do get working on it. It's not going to be quick or easy!

[Lance13A]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it "enrolled in college?" Hope your enrolled in English 101....hehe
I'm pretty sure you meant "you're."

Or maybe that's not until 102 :rolleyes:

[KMANinTX]

I'm pretty sure you meant "you're."

Or maybe that's not until 102 :rolleyes:

You are correct there sir!!!

But, "I not the collage edumacated one".....hehe......;)

[Lance13A]

You are correct there sir!!!

But, "I not the collage edumacated one".....hehe......;)
true, true... hahaha

[cfrmtex]

How do I apply for a discharge review in with the USN?
I got my upgrade with the help of the American Legion in DC. They are a big help. Chaplin is correct though, it is to soon. I recommend you get some school done. Get a good work history going and maybe do some volunteer work somewhere.