Shooting at FT. Hood

[7011USMC]

Breaking news of a shooting at Fort Hood Texas several dead and wounded in double digits....more to follow I'm sure:mad:

[show_stopper999]

DEVELOPING: A mass shooting at Ft. Hood military post in Texas has left at least 7 dead and 20 wounded and one suspected gunman is on the loose, officials told Fox News.

A massive manhunt was under way for the suspect at large, Fox News confirmed. One person was in custody. The New York Post said that there were two shooters at the Army post massacre; other reports said there were three.

The attack apparently happened at Ft. Hood's Soldier Readiness Center. Army officials didn't know whether the victims were civilians or military personnel.

Other media reports said the number of victims remained unclear.

The men were reportedly dressed in Army fatigues, but military officials couldn't confirm that they were Army personnel.

The base and area schools were on lockdown after the mass shooting, and all those on the Army post were asked to gather for a head count.

The FBI was en route to Ft. Hood to provide assistance.

There have been several previous deadly incidents at Ft. Hood, including a shooting of one soldier by another at a party in July; a **** and fatal shooting of an Army medic at her apartment near the post 11 years ago; and the murder-suicide of a lieutenant by a soldier in September 2008.

[Phantom]

I just got finished speaking to a few of my guys there, the whole base is in a lockdown status and taking accountability. Just what you see on the news. Remember, always be aware of your situation, no matter where you are.

[7011USMC]

Thats what I'm talking about. Double A's alert & awareness! Watching live news from Fort Hood.

[show_stopper999]

CNN reports 9 dead now.

[7011USMC]

CNN reports 9 dead now.

I wouldn't believe anything from CNN...Especially after "ballon boy":D

[show_stopper999]

Thats what I get for watching the Communist News Network.

[hrotccadet]

Thats what I get for watching the Communist News Network.

I'm going to not make any assumptions until I watch Glenn Beck tonight.

[7011USMC]

Local news is reporting possible 30 wounded now. Way to early to speculate. Supposely sources from K.Bailey Hutchinson office is stating this.

[7011USMC]

I'm going to not make any assumptions until I watch Glenn Beck tonight.

LOL! I hope he cries again. He is a trip.

[hrotccadet]

The men were reportedly dressed in Army fatigues, but military officials couldn't confirm that they were Army personnel.

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Wait hold up they aren't sure if they are actually Soldiers? So this could ver well be two a s s h o l e s that dressed up as two Soldiers.

[hrotccadet]

LOL! I hope he cries again. He is a trip.

True but he is a good guy I mean he is a regular averge guy who is not the usual reporter or talk show host or a lawyer like ALOT of them are.

[7011USMC]

CG of FORT Hood said 12 dead 31 wounded.

[mryan525]

MSNBC reports all shooters are soldiers. One is custody is "Army Major with 'Arabic sounding name'"

[7011USMC]

CG said there were at least two shooters possible 3. Soldiers were at the readiness center the old dome athletic complex. Civilian contractor cop amoung dead.

[HR NCO]

LOL! I hope he cries again. He is a trip.

He probably wont be on tonight...he had an appendectomy yesterday...but he may be crying

[mryan525]

CNN reports two suspects in custody, both soldiers, third shooter is dead.

[hrotccadet]

Wait hold up are there still people shooting or has it stopped?

[mryan525]

Wait hold up are there still people shooting or has it stopped?

It's over. 43 people shot by handguns. 3 shooters total. 2 in custody, 1 dead. All soldiers. 39 year old Army Major in custody.. only intel on the 2 suspects.

[hrotccadet]

Well at least it's over so thank God for that. I hope they find out why they did what they did.

[mryan525]

Shooter in custody identified as MAJ Malik Hasan. Reported recent convert to Islam.


Disclaimer: I'm repeating what I'm hearing. For all we know right now this Soldier could have served honorably, returned from deployment and suffered a mental breakdown.. I urge this board not to jump to any conclusions just yet, despite what reasonable assumptions we may make.

[7011USMC]

Nice disclaimer... However, I don't care that he served honorably or not. I don't care if he is suffering from PTSD. I want JUSTICE. UCMJ JUSTICE!

Disclaimer: angry bitter American clinging to my guns and religion.:D

[Mom's Mistake]

They're saying the incident took place around 13:30 CST. They're saying other military bases have raised security measures.

Oddly, I went on a nearby base around 13:30 to use the fitness center. There was one AF security guard on at the gate. When I left around 14:30, there was 5 and they were searching incoming vehicles. I thought that was odd....now I know why.

My thoughts go out to the families who lost someone to this senseless violence today. I hope the death toll doesn't rise from the wounded.

[mryan525]

Nice disclaimer... However, I don't care that he served honorably or not. I don't care if he is suffering from PTSD. I want JUSTICE. UCMJ JUSTICE!

Disclaimer: angry bitter American clinging to my guns and religion.:D


Well yeah, I'm not condoning anything. It was posted before any concrete facts came out and didn't want members to make assumptions based on his religion. It was my PC moment for the day.

[SGTHess]

They are saying the MAJ was a mental health professional. Maybe he had heard and seen enough from soldiers returning from deployment that he finally cracked. Never got himself help which also happens a lot in that profession

Pure speculation though.... Guess we wait and find out.

My heart goes out to all involved though.

[SteveLord]

Go here for the timeline.

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11451553




Update 6:58 Killeen Police waiting for Fort Hood **** Squad before searching Hasan's apartment.

Update 6:55 Two of the soldiers at Scott & White are out of surgery and are now in the ICU.

Update 6:52 Fort Hood is no longer on lockdown.

Update 6:32 We've got an inside look at the suspect in Thursday's shooting.

Update 6:27 AP reports 2 soldiers taken into custody after shooting have been released.

Update 6:25 Our Henry Rossof reports the suspect's apartment complex has been put on lockdown.

Update 5:35 From the Red Cross:
"The American Red Cross is ensuring that the blood supply is at the needed capacity to support tragedies such as the incident at Ft. Hood, Texas. We are hosting a blood drive today from 5:30 pm until 11:30 pm and will reopen again tomorrow morning at 8 am. Those wishing to donate can do so at 4224 Cobbs Drive (next to the National Guard Armory), Waco Texas 76710."

Update 5:26 News Channel 25's Natasha Chen has learned the suspected shooter Maj. Malik Hasan had "Allah" keyed into his car last week. He reported it as a hate crime.

Update: 5:25 We're waiting for the latest updates from Fort Hood at a 5:45 press conference.

Update 5:22 Scott & White released the following statement "Scott & White Memorial Hospital has received 9 gunshot victims from Fort Hood. More are expected No specifics are known regarding the incident resulting in the shootings. At this time the victims coming to Scott and White are suffering from wounds. We have nothing else at this time. All patients are adults.

All Scott & White facilities remain open and Scott & White hospital operations are continuing. The Emergency Department however, is NOT accessible to visitors at this time."

Update 5:18 A prayer service will be held at 7:00 p.m. at First Memorial Baptist Church at 4001 Trammier Road.

Update 5:17 Belton ISD students are now home.

Update 5:15 Metroplex Adventist Hospital received seven of the victims. One was under distress in route to the hospital and was later pronounced dead. Two are currently in surgery, one of which is an EMS paramedic. Four have been stabilized. Two were transferred to Scott & White Memorial Hospital in Temple and two have been transferred to Seton in Round Rock.

Update 5:10 Temple ISD has canceled after school activities and sporting events.

Update 5:09 AP & ABC reporting shooting suspect , Maj Malik Hasan was a Army mental health professional who was preparing to deploy.

Update 4:56 Fort Hood is still on lockdown.

Update 4:53 Scott & White Hospital reports it has 9 soldiers who were transferred from Darnall Army Hospital; 4 are in operating rooms, 5 are in the ER for evaluation, 10 are on the way from Darnall to Scott & White. Scott & White is making accommodations for all of the families. Patients who were already at Scott & White are being rearranged.

Update 4:43 AP identifies one of the shooters as Maj.Malik Nadal Hasan

Update 4:13 Scott & White Hospital is on a complete lock down.

Update 4:10 AP: Obama calls shootings at Ford Hood a "horrific outburst of violence.''

Update 4:08 ABC News reports shooter's identity is Malik Hassan.

Update 4:05 Primary gunman used two handguns in attack

Update 3:58 ARMY: Gunmen were soldiers.

Update 3:56 ARMY: One shooter dead, Police officer is dead

Update 3:52 ARMY: 12 Dead, 31 injured, two suspects in custody.

Update 3:38 CNN reporting 9 dead in Fort Hood Shooting.

Update 3:36 Fort Hood officials say they cannot confirm whether the shooters were military or civilians.

Update 3:33 Harker Heights vs. Copperas Cove game has been canceled. It has not been rescheduled.

Update 3:29 Texas A&M Central Texas University's classes have been canceled.

Update 3:25 First release form the Army reports shooting happened at Soldier's Readiness Processing Center and Howze Theatre. It reads "Department of Emergency Services officials confirmed at approximately 1:30 p.m. Nov. 5 that more than one shooter fired shots into the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and Howze Theater on Fort Hood."

Emergency personnel have responded to the scene and evacuated several wounded.

Update 3:23 Copperas Cove ISD has released Junior and Senior High students; elementary students have not yet been released.

Update 3:06 President Obama has been briefed on the situation

Update 3:05 Two gunmen are apparently involved. Metroplex Hospital in Killeen also received some patients from the shooting.

Update 2:49 Army reports 20 injured.

Update 2:35 Killeen ISD has 9 schools, all on post, on lockdown. KISD asks parents to stay away.

Update 2:30 Fort Hood is asking people on post to stay away from windows. Belton ISD is on Lockdown

Update 2:22 Fort Hood reports 7 people are dead 12 are wounded and one person is in custody.

Update 2:17 Temple ISD Schools Have Been locked down as part of this incident. The district's spokeswoman tells News Channel 25 Temple Police are placing officers at each TISD campus. The schools will dismiss as usual.

I'm betting on Islamic extremist for sure. No political correctness from me.

[show_stopper999]

Fox news on Sirius satellite just said he had been a Muslim all his life, had minor problems in his military career as a psychiatrist, and as a result was transfered to Ft Hood where he came up for deployment. He fought deployment tooth and nail including with lawyers.

He also had reportedly said that it was okay for muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan to fight against US forces. He joined pre-911 and didnt agree with any of the wars.

May Glenn Beck guide this nation in our time of need. I will be awaiting his message. Amen.

[SteveLord]

There's no way this guy shot 40+ people with 2 handguns. I suspect something else is going on. And there is word that another gunman could be involved....and maybe even on the loose.

*BIG UPDATE* The shooter is NOT dead. He is wounded and apparently not talking much. Also, they now say he was the only shooter.

[hrotccadet]

May Glenn Beck guide this nation in our time of need. I will be awaiting his message. Amen.

Agreed! He's going to have a field day with this one! Also how is it that he was confirmed to have been killed earlier and now he is alive? People can't tell the differance?:confused: Something is going on here that we aren't being told about!

[Bones02]

Agreed! He's going to have a field day with this one! Also how is it that he was confirmed to have been killed earlier and now he is alive? People can't tell the differance?:confused: Something is going on here that we aren't being told about!

I read that the hospital was confused or something. Who knows. I hope he's heavily guarded...base is still on lockdown per a Facebook mobile update from a friend there...God bless the soldiers and their families...

[hrotccadet]

I read that the hospital was confused or something. Who knows. I hope he's heavily guarded...base is still on lockdown per a Facebook mobile update from a friend there...God bless the soldiers and their families...

LOL you know what honestly I'm not surprised that they can't tell the differance between the being alive and dead.:rolleyes: He had better hope that he is heavily guarded I mean i can't even begin to think what the people on that POST want to do to him.

[Bones02]

LOL you know what honestly I'm not surprised that they can't tell the differance between the being alive and dead.:rolleyes: He had better hope that he is heavily guarded I mean i can't even begin to think what the people on that POST want to do to him.

No joke, b/c I'm halfway across the country and would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to get my hands on him right now...:mad:

[hrotccadet]

No joke, b/c I'm halfway across the country and would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to get my hands on him right now...:mad:

Well my friend heres what going to happen he is going to be in custody for the next year or so and when his trial eventually gets underway it will last for months and then he will get sentenced to jail for a couple of years and then he will get out in about 20 maybe 30 years for some **** excuse. Tell me I'm wrong:(

[SteveLord]

I hope he is guarded so he doesn't suicide and escape justice.

[Chaplain4me]

Sounds like exactly like what they wanted to do at Ft. Dix.

Prayers for the families.

[Chaplain4me]

"Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, the AP reported. One of the postings authorities reviewed was a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened."

armytimes.com

[Phantom]

I like this 3 star, that is doing the press confrence, to the point, without fluff..

[Mom's Mistake]

I say let him rot in Gitmo. He wants to act like a terrorist....let him suffer as one.

[hrotccadet]

I say let him rot in Gitmo. He wants to act like a terrorist....let him suffer as one.

Nice only problem is it's being closed

[crimeguy]

Well as we woke up this morning more details are coming clearer, it's now 13 dead as one soldier did not make it though the night. We had two of the wounded brought down to one of our hospitals, one is fine I am told he is Specialist in a Reserve unit, my First Sergeant spent a greater part of the evening with him seeing to his needs. The other had surgery and all though the FBI at the hospital is not giving details my intel is he was shot in the stomach but is stable.

[7011USMC]

I've seen & heard the "drive by" media trying to paint a picture that this Dr./Maj may have been of victim of harrassment, prejudice, and hate crime.

I'm with Steve Lord no PC here from me either.

[Bones02]

I've seen & heard the "drive by" media trying to paint a picture that this Dr./Maj may have been of victim of harrassment, prejudice, and hate crime.

I'm with Steve Lord no PC here from me either.

I say screw PC. It's what's made our country soft and vulnerable. I'm tired of being PC. The facts are the facts. A cop friend of mine once told me, "it's not profiling if it's true". Same applies to this.

Ridicule me all you want, I'm sure there's a staunch liberal lurking on this forum somewhere...just stating my all-American, God-fearing, gun-loving opinion...

[crimeguy]

I am on my way to the hospital to see one of our survivors, I will wish him well and let him know everybody here is wishing him well!

[7011USMC]

I am on my way to the hospital to see one of our survivors, I will wish him well and let him know everybody here is wishing him well!

Godspeed friend.

[7011USMC]

I say screw PC. It's what's made our country soft and vulnerable. I'm tired of being PC. The facts are the facts. A cop friend of mine once told me, "it's not profiling if it's true". Same applies to this.

Ridicule me all you want, I'm sure there's a staunch liberal lurking on this forum somewhere...just stating my all-American, God-fearing, gun-loving opinion...

Hooah! Thats what I'm talking about. I'm sick and tired of walking on egg shells for the sake of PC. Call an ace an ace.

[show_stopper999]

By the powers of Glenn Beck and through true Conservatism may we weed out any of the devilish liberal and godless scum that may wish to bring our nation to its knees.

All joking aside, there is no need for all this PC ****. I'm positive that it wont be long and someone will be along to defend this guy or say what he did wasnt all that bad.

[show_stopper999]

If we sent him to Gitmo, he might end up in Bermuda or Denmark like the other scumbags we had there.

God Bless America

He'd have lots of friends in Europe. Another 10 years and the whole place will be like Iran.

[akamilitarygirl]

He'd have lots of friends in Europe. Another 10 years and the whole place will be like Iran.

:rolleyes: yeah, the Taliban would just LOOOOOOOOVE to see news of an American Soldier going mental on a military base.

[OCSAllTheWay]

Yeah, my heart goes out to the families and friends who lost loved ones in this tragedy. I mean, there is definitely an expectation of feeling 1000 times safer at a US base. As for the suspect, I really hope they throw the book at him. I think life at Levenworth would be worse for him than the death penalty!:mad:

[Chaplain4me]

"Hasan is an American citizen of Palestinian descent and after the 9/11 attacks, his cousin says he was the target of constant harassment from others in the military. His tormentors called him a "camel jockey," said his cousin, Nader Hasan. He wanted out of the Army, so he paid back his military student loans and hired an attorney."

Okay, someone answer me this, which one of you is going to harass a Major by calling him a Camel Jockey? Is it you Private? Or you SGT?


What lengths will people go to rationalize the irrational!

[SPC Ski]

and... he was a shrink at WRAMC, has anyone thought about what he said to those boys...

:confused:

[Chaplain4me]

"Witnesses to Thursday's massacre at Fort Hood said alleged shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan appeared calm and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire at a crowd of young soldiers, pausing only to reload before he was taken down by a female officer who is being hailed as a hero."

[PFC Lowe]

Reports from CNN (eww) this morning said they are investigating to see how many of the wounded were possibly accidental from those trying to stop the shooter. They also said one of the handguns was semi-auto so I am assuming the other was a revolver.

[Bones02]

Is anyone else just utterly ANGRY at this whole thing? That's the only emotion I can manage right now. Tell me I'm not wrong to be feeling anger and hatred b/c of this...:confused:

[PFC Lowe]

Same here. It really makes you think about the people that are supposed to have your back...I'm not letting this one guy ruin my opinion of everyone else because there is always a few bad eggs, especially in an organization as large as the military.

[7011USMC]

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Ephesians 4:26

Its okay to be angry and p-i-s-s-ed! Just don't let it cloud your judgement! It is what it is. Plain and simple. :mad:

[Bones02]

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Ephesians 4:26

Its okay to be angry and p-i-s-s-ed! Just don't let it cloud your judgement! It is what it is. Plain and simple. :mad:

*takes a deep breath* You are right...:o

[7011USMC]

*takes a deep breath* You are right...:o

It's still daylight...Lets burn this muther down!:D

[akamilitarygirl]

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Ephesians 4:26

Its okay to be angry and p-i-s-s-ed! Just don't let it cloud your judgement! It is what it is. Plain and simple. :mad:

itsn't it the chaplins job to repremend us? :rolleyes: :p

[7011USMC]

itsn't it the chaplins job to repremend us? :rolleyes: :p

Perhap but most of us are heathens:D. So it is everyones job to calm a brother down in times like this;)

[hrotccadet]

ehh I'm not even thinking about that dirtbag anymore I just hope the Soldiers who were shot and survived are going to be ok and their families as well.:(

[akamilitarygirl]

Perhap but most of us are heathens:D. So it is everyones job to calm a brother down in times like this;)

"there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole" ~ Ryan Smithson

[planedr]

Did you see his DA photo? He is a major with 1, yes one, only a single ribbon. An ASR HAHAHAHHAHAHA what a loser.

[hrotccadet]

Did you see his DA photo? He is a major with 1, yes one, only a single ribbon. An ASR HAHAHAHHAHAHA what a loser.

I understand what your saying but in all honesty it's probably some mistake I mean theres NO WAY that a major could have just one ribbon. On a side note they are saying that this guy shot of 100 rounds so this guy must have had this planned out at least for a while and not just randomly waking up and saying him today I'm gonna go crazy.

I know I'm ranting but I also have to say is that where the **** were the MP's in all this?

[Bones02]

I understand what your saying but in all honesty it's probably some mistake I mean theres NO WAY that a major could have just one ribbon. On a side note they are saying that this guy shot of 100 rounds so this guy must have had this planned out at least for a while and not just randomly waking up and saying him today I'm gonna go crazy.

I know I'm ranting but I also have to say is that where the **** were the MP's in all this?

The female civilian cop that shot him and stopped the attack responded within 3 minutes. Thank God for her. It definitely sounded pre-meditated.

[hrotccadet]

The female civilian cop that shot him and stopped the attack responded within 3 minutes. Thank God for her. It definitely sounded pre-meditated.

Yes thats true but the question still remains where were the MP's?

[SteveLord]

Yes thats true but the question still remains where were the MP's?

Why? The military often uses civilian police forces or Dept of Defense law enforcement along with actual MPs.

[Tigerforce]

Yes thats true but the question still remains where were the MP's?

The MP's I am sure were there...just remember most bases now are going more and more civilian as most of the MP's are being deployed.

[hrotccadet]

All I can think of is the fall of the Roman Empire.

Yup you hit the nail right on the head for anyone who is a student of history that is where we are going.

Also you could equate the illegal immigrants with the barbarians. We are more likely to a fall from democracy because of the entitlement mentality that is growing. Read what the Greeks had to say about the progression of governing styles. The end of *Democracy comes about when the politicians find they can buy votes by giving money to the masses. This has been happening for about 70 years now and got much worse 40 years ago. Makes you wonder how much longer it will last. According to the greeks the next stage will be tyranny.

I mean just look at Ilegal immigration, income redistribution, disintegration of the family structure and the discipline it fosters, class envy and a sense of entitlement, squabbling groups of citizens who hate each other more than they love their country, the collapse of the educational system, corruption of the media/government and pop culture......... and a complete inability and unwillingness to address any of these problems because of a crippling political correctness.

Just like Rome. It's citizens were spoiled and figured that the government should do EVERYTHING for them just because the were Romans. The only difference is that Romans loved conquests for spoils and Americans now despise it AND paying taxes. We're already broke, Things are going to get interesting when the debtors call the note.


PLEASE NOTE: The United States is NOT a Democracy and was NEVER intended to be a Democracy because in a Democracy 51% of the population can end up controlling 49% of the population and the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid that. Hence why we are a Federal Republic with majority Rule so as long as it does NOT infringe on the rights of others. Plain and Simple

[Nathan]

Good post. And, for the record, I have a serious entitlement problem.

[Mr_Loki]

Nice only problem is it's being closed


Can still leave him there... I doubt his raft will get him anywhere.

[hrotccadet]

Can still leave him there... I doubt his raft will get him anywhere.

How about this lets put him on trial for Treason. After what he did he has most absolultey commited treason.

[hrotccadet]

Good post. And, for the record, I have a serious entitlement problem.

Yes an entitlement state is turning Americans into weak lazy people. I mean history is repeating itself.

[7011USMC]

"there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole" ~ Ryan Smithson

Do tell us about your experiences....Or did we just get over the HS drama yet?

[WIBecky74]

We had two Wisconsin Guardsman killed and four injured. Not any more important than any other involved, but sad when there are 3600 WIARNG deployed, and six are affected in that sort of way back in a country the military is supposed to be defending. Not specifically because of this has it happend, but my opinion about a few things have changed in the past year. But being professional (lol) I wont give details on that out of respect. Other than, remember why the majority of those people killed were there in the first place. A few (2+) years ago I would have been more open minded about the 'cause'.

[SteveLord]

Paper this morning said there were some soldiers concerned about this guy, but didn't report anything because they feared they would be labeled discriminating against a muslim.

Which, in my opinion...most likely would have happened. Political correctness at it again.

[hrotccadet]

Paper this morning said there were some soldiers concerned about this guy, but didn't report anything because they feared they would be labeled discriminating against a muslim.

Which, in my opinion...most likely would have happened. Political correctness at it again.

I mean just look at Ilegal immigration, income redistribution, disintegration of the family structure and the discipline it fosters, class envy and a sense of entitlement, squabbling groups of citizens who hate each other more than they love their country, the collapse of the educational system, corruption of the media/government and pop culture......... and a complete inability and unwillingness to address any of these problems because of a crippling political correctness.

[HeelToeSTi]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html


PC is killing our soldiers and our country.

[akamilitarygirl]

Do tell us about your experiences....Or did we just get over the HS drama yet?

haha thanks :rollseyes: no it's just a quote i really liked and from the way everyone was talking I figured it needed to be said. Actually I'm a Navy/Army brat and a Marine girlfriend so :p The only experience I have is of being the one left at home and I know that THAT is MORE than enough to make me a believer.

[akamilitarygirl]

Paper this morning said there were some soldiers concerned about this guy, but didn't report anything because they feared they would be labeled discriminating against a muslim.

Which, in my opinion...most likely would have happened. Political correctness at it again.

hum... the news here said they did report it but their chain of command just ignored them and chose to do nothing about it.

[Wayne09]

Fox News is now reporting that Major Hasan tried contacting Al Qaeda months ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573166,00.html

[Chaplain4me]

He also worshiped at the same mosque that some of the 9/11 hijackers worshiped.

[show_stopper999]

So awesome that i'm taking a college class "Introduction to Islam" and have to write a 5 page paper on Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, and Wallace Muhammad, their doctrine and relationship to each other while all this is going on.

That and a class I completed last year "Cyber Terrorism" have probably landed me on a list somewhere!!!! :eek:

[Nathan]

Worshipping is boring. I'd rather watch football.

I still don't understand Al Qaeda or Islamic terrorists. I mean, I'm a religious person, but don't feel the need to go over to their country and shoot everybody who doesn't agree with me.

Where is the justification? Even if the Bible told me to murder all black people, I still wouldn't do it.

Regardless of the fact that they think Allah wants them to **** people, or if something in the Koran is telling them to become human bombs, it's quite obvious that these people cannot think for themselves.

[SteveLord]

hum... the news here said they did report it but their chain of command just ignored them and chose to do nothing about it.

Because no one wants to look bad punishing a muslim.

My wife is an RN. And she had a co-worker on orientation for 6 months. It's normally 2 weeks! She just didn't get stuff and always need help doing things. She even somehow earned a bachelor's degree. Why didn't they let her go sooner? She's black. So the hospital probably didn't want to be quick to judge and let it ride out longer so it wouldn't look so bad if they let her go.

[show_stopper999]

Could also be that the medical corps in the military and the general medical field outside needs qualified personnel so bad that they are willing to let things go, with the "it wont happen to me" belief.

[7011USMC]

Could also be that the medical corps in the military and the general medical field outside needs qualified personnel so bad that they are willing to let things go, with the "it wont happen to me" belief.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. The Army in past has taken people with shady backgrounds that required wavier approval. I could see that with happening with Army medical professionals.

What is surprising is "all the allegations of radical Islam" in a military classroom and training setting. Why didn't leadership do anything about it?

If that was an enlisted member you bet his sorry **** he wouldn't be talking about political, or radical religious fundamentals in a military setting let alone in a ear shot of an NCO or a Officer.:eek:

[Mr_Loki]

What happened in Fort Hood is because one man decided that being a Martyr to Islam was more important than the oath he took, the nation he served, and the lives of his fellow Soldiers that trusted him. This isn’t the first time this has happened either. Remember Sgt. Hasan Akbar? He killed two officers in Kuwait right before the push into Iraq in 2003. The Army passed that off saying that he was mad about being reprimanded by his command. I see the same thing happening with Major Hasan. They will say that he suffered PTSD from listening to what others said about their war experiences, or even better yet, they might make up a new condition, Pre-PTSD. That’s what you get from anticipating going into a war zone. I will be surprised if they say that he killed as an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist (sorry, forgot the term is now man-made disaster, practitioner of the religion of peace, believer in his cause, anti-Zionist freedom fighter.)

Great post

[Phantom]

Great post

Agreed, good points, and thanks for the new sig line, had to shorten it to fit the 100 character limit.:D

[7011USMC]

Why would you say that? This scumbag Hasan didn't need a waiver to get in the Army nor had he a shady background before he joined. He joined in the '90s, back when they were trying to weed people out for anything.

Those shady people you are talking about are the same people that saved the Army's a** during the heaviest fighting in Iraq. Back in the days of when even paying massive bonuses still couldn’t get people to join. Remember Angelo J. Vaccaro, he needed a moral waiver to join and ended up being awarded two Silver Stars. He died by the way, trying to save Soldiers lives while under fire.

Sure there are bad apples, but I would bet most Soldiers who have committed crimes and murdered while in the Army did not need a waiver to join. I don’t ever remember anyone who joined with a waiver going in and shooting 43 people.

What happened in Fort Hood is because one man decided that being a Martyr to Islam was more important than the oath he took, the nation he served, and the lives of his fellow Soldiers that trusted him. This isn’t the first time this has happened either. Remember Sgt. Hasan Akbar? He killed two officers in Kuwait right before the push into Iraq in 2003. The Army passed that off saying that he was mad about being reprimanded by his command. I see the same thing happening with Major Hasan. They will say that he suffered PTSD from listening to what others said about their war experiences, or even better yet, they might make up a new condition, Pre-PTSD. That’s what you get from anticipating going into a war zone. I will be surprised if they say that he killed as an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist (sorry, forgot the term is now man-made disaster, practitioner of the religion of peace, believer in his cause, anti-Zionist freedom fighter.)

I hope I am wrong.

Maybe you misunderstood me (I think quicker than I can type). I'm not hating on people that got waviers or even needed them. I'm saying nothing would surprise me. I'm saying by lowering the standards across the board it does the Army a dis-service. I'm sure it happens on the professional side of the house as well (ex. lower standards for programs, options, affirmative action etc.) which engenders substandard preformance.

Not every soldier that received a wavier was a success story in Iraq, Afganistan, or into the big Army (too the ones that were a BIG HOOAH!). Sure there are exceptions to every rule. I'm sure you would agree to that.

According to the reports he was a marginal professional aswell as an officer. Many classmates, and fellow officers felt he was a threat. I personally think leadership failed big times especially in hind sight.

Too the rest of your post I concur 100% with you.

[SteveLord]

My predicted outcomes

-military gets blamed because of reports of people teasing or harassing him for his faith, making him the victim.

-military immediately requires all personnel to sit through 2 hour powerpoint or video on discrimination

-government concentrates on blaming/investigating military. Takes eye of the CIA/FBI, even though they knew about this. Especially the director who was chosen by the POTUS with zero experience in intelligence.

[show_stopper999]

I welcome the firings and metaphoric "heads rolling" that will come on to those who ignore the information they had or anyone who was negligent.

[SGT Bart]

"Witnesses to Thursday's massacre at Fort Hood said alleged shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan appeared calm and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire at a crowd of young soldiers, pausing only to reload before he was taken down by a female officer who is being hailed as a hero."


bravo, hats off to the female officer stepping up at the right place at the right time.

[Lance13A]

My predicted outcomes
-military immediately requires all personnel to sit through 2 hour powerpoint or video on discrimination

this will definitely happen.

also, this occurred right before a 3-day for me, so when i got to the armory on friday morning, all the doors were locked and everybody was outside. had to do an accountability formation before we could do anything, then the doors remained locked from the outside, and somebody was on door guard letting people in all day. i love military over-reactions ex-post-facto.

[Rhadamanthus]

bravo, hats off to the female officer stepping up at the right place at the right time.

Absolutely. However, had she been better trained, Hasan would be dead.

[7011USMC]

Absolutely. However, had she been better trained, Hasan would be dead.

No kidding. I look for her to get sued for excessive force, racial profiling, and shooting to maim. PC will be the death to our republic.

I see the drive by media playing the racial, harrassment & religious victim card.

I wonder what the CIC El Presidente Obama will say tommorrow at Ft. Hood.

[Chaplain4me]

It will possibly be the epitome of PC.

[cyall]

I wonder what the CIC El Presidente Obama will say tommorrow at Ft. Hood.

To borrow from the Bard, "it is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[SteveLord]

I wonder what the CIC El Presidente Obama will say tommorrow at Ft. Hood.

I did think it was kinda funny how he told everyone not to jump to conclusions. Yet he did exactly that when his buddy got arrested by police, calling them stupid without knowing anything. :rolleyes:

[Chaplain4me]

I thought the same thing Steve.

[Tigerforce]

I did think it was kinda funny how he told everyone not to jump to conclusions. Yet he did exactly that when his buddy got arrested by police, calling them stupid without knowing anything. :rolleyes:


Maybe the President realized he made mistake that was when he jumped to conclusions last time?!? Oh wait he admits a mistake probably not good enough for most people in here because they lack any bias and respect!

[Chaplain4me]

You're funny.

Maybe we should email Anwar al-Awlaki 10-20 times for his opinion.

[Tigerforce]

You're funny.

Maybe we should email Anwar al-Awlaki 10-20 times for his opinion.


Curious do you know anything other than what the news has told you?

Let me make this clear. What that OFFICER did was down right disgusting and shameful to what all of us that are in the service stand for. However I took an oath to PROTECT and DEFEND the CONSTITUTION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, so in doing so this Major will see his day in court....LT why don't you pull out the MCM and tell the class what the max ********** is for Article 118(2) of the UCMJ?

[Chaplain4me]

You interupted me, I was reading Anwar al-Awlaki's, "44 Ways of Supporting Jihad."

[Tigerforce]

You interupted me, I was reading Anwar al-Awlaki's, "44 Ways of Supporting Jihad."

Maybe we should contact CID and tell them of your new found interest in middle east affairs?:rolleyes:

[hrotccadet]

Maybe we should contact CID and tell them of your new found interest in middle east affairs?:rolleyes:

Great paranoia ruling the day. There was a twilight zone episode about that and funny story the people in the episode degreded into a mob mentality.:rolleyes:

[7011USMC]

Maybe we should contact CID and tell them of your new found interest in middle east affairs?:rolleyes:

D-a-m-n Mr. MPI where have you been this past week? Instead of trying to silence a forum, maybe you should look into why CID/MI/HLS/FBI/CIA drop the ball on the nut case Jihadist before he committed the 2nd worst terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11.

Just cause you don't like the message don't try and **** the messanger! FYI this was a terrorist attack on our government and sovereignty. I don't care what the "white house and the media" would have you believe. We are at war on terrorism with radical islam.

We are a CHRISTIAN NATION founded by Christian believers. If the shoe fits then wear it. I'm a blue eye infedel Christian conservative taxpaying male. I am a dying breed that doesn't by into PC for the sake of PC.

[Chaplain4me]

Maybe we should contact CID and tell them of your new found interest in middle east affairs?:rolleyes:

That would be discrimination and that's a no no.

[Chaplain4me]

LT why don't you pull out the MCM and tell the class what the max ********** is for Article 118(2) of the UCMJ?

Class the last military execution was in....1961, PFC Bennet raped and attempted to murder a girl. Bennet was hanged.

So the last military execution was almost 50 years ago.

How many in this class are younger than 50?

Execution is not common.

[akamilitarygirl]

Class the last military execution was in....1961, PFC Bennet raped and attempted to murder a girl. Bennet was hanged.

So the last military execution was almost 50 years ago.

How many in this class are younger than 50?

Execution is not common.

they still hung people in the 1960s?! :eek:

[7011USMC]

they still hung people in the 1960s?! :eek:

Trust me it isn't "cruel or unusual" as the liberals would have you believe:D. His sorry **** should have been public flogged, put in stocks, and then hung!

[PFC Lowe]

they still hung people in the 1960s?! :eek:

When done right it is instant and painless. The movies portray the cause of death to be due to the lack of oxygen. It should snap the neck causing instant death.

[Chaplain4me]

I was reading in WW2 they would also execute convicted soldiers by shooting them.

[hrotccadet]

I was reading in WW2 they would also execute convicted soldiers by shooting them.

Yup it was a different world back then and I'm going to go as far and say that era is when the Army was at it's peak of it's entire history. I'm basing that on the way things were run as opposed to today, the industry that was put to work because of the war, the motivation of the people. If there is any other time I would want to be alive in it's back then in the late 1930's to mid 1940's.

[RobLyman]

Curious do you know anything other than what the news has told you?

Let me make this clear. What that OFFICER did was down right disgusting and shameful to what all of us that are in the service stand for. However I took an oath to PROTECT and DEFEND the CONSTITUTION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, so in doing so this Major will see his day in court....LT why don't you pull out the MCM and tell the class what the max ********** is for Article 118(2) of the UCMJ?

How about you try to be a little more respectful to the LT?

[Chaplain4me]

Thank you Chief,

I think the facts speak for themselves.

Communication on this forum is an anomaly. It's difficult to know anything about the other person. For instance, I may not be a 2LT at all. I could be a senior citizen, or a spy sent from Turkmenistan.

What if Tigerforce is really a General? Then I really would be in trouble. Avatars are deceiving.

In light of this tragedy, I'm sure the Army will adjust it's policy and do it's due diligence in the future. It's always eaiser to look back at what should have been done, rather than anticipate what the future holds. One thing is certain we have to hang together, or we hang (get it, a play on the word hang).

Maybe Tigerforce has a valid point.....maybe. This forum is not the proper place to express opinions regarding the many inconsistencies, fallacies, and short comings of politicians. Believe me, I have many opinions regarding certain politicians, opinions based on emphirical observations. To express them would be an abuse of this forum's purpose. I've caught myself many times, erasing a post, or editing it to be more sensitive. People are listening to what we are saying on here. It maybe benificial for everyone to reexamine the forum's rules and policies. Perhaps, I frequently come close to crossing the line.

[Phantom]

Political Bashing and Religion Bashing are a NO-GO on the Forums. These threads are monitored more than you think. The Mods and Admins, discuss what is happening and make the decision if a situation gets close to violating the rules. In some cases like this we let it work itself out hopefully. Remember this is about the shooting and victims at Ft. Hood. Dont turn this into something that it is not.

[Chaplain4me]

SSG, do you think a better term could be used to describe it other than Islamic Fundamentalism?

Maybe we could just leave it at enemies of the United States.

The reason I say that is some people, myself included, could be described as Christian Fundamentalists (which I don't desire here to explain the theological differences, though technically, I'm not a fundamentalist). I personally don't see any harm in Islam.

I smell it in the air, a time is coming when people who are simply Christians will be called extremists. You can see it in how the media covered the congressional race in NY, where the third party candidate was described as extreme for certain stances.

Simply because a person loves Islam to the point that it is the focus of their life is not an issue.

The issue is when Americans, allies, and American interests are attacked. When people become enemies of America that is the issue.

I think the real issue is when people of whatever nationality or creed cross that line and become combatants.

[hrotccadet]

Just think guys how the world would be if organized religion had never come to be? Just think of all the progress that could ahve occured and all the wars avoided.

[Tigerforce]

Thank you Chief,

I think the facts speak for themselves.

Communication on this forum is an anomaly. It's difficult to know anything about the other person. For instance, I may not be a 2LT at all. I could be a senior citizen, or a spy sent from Turkmenistan.

What if Tigerforce is really a General? Then I really would be in trouble. Avatars are deceiving.

In light of this tragedy, I'm sure the Army will adjust it's policy and do it's due diligence in the future. It's always eaiser to look back at what should have been done, rather than anticipate what the future holds. One thing is certain we have to hang together, or we hang (get it, a play on the word hang).

Maybe Tigerforce has a valid point.....maybe. This forum is not the proper place to express opinions regarding the many inconsistencies, fallacies, and short comings of politicians. Believe me, I have many opinions regarding certain politicians, opinions based on emphirical observations. To express them would be an abuse of this forum's purpose. I've caught myself many times, erasing a post, or editing it to be more sensitive. People are listening to what we are saying on here. It maybe benificial for everyone to reexamine the forum's rules and policies. Perhaps, I frequently come close to crossing the line.


There you go! You got it right on the head. See talking politics on a forum where there is an obvious divide isn't too bright. No one likes to back down cause if we did we wouldn't have wanted to be in the military!

The first thing they taught us here at MPI school is to throw away our feelings and prejudices. You can not be an impartial investigator and find the real truth if already in your mind you are focused on what you believe to be the facts before the investigation. How many people here have ever jumped the gun and gotten mad at something or someone and then found out the real story and felt a fool. Sometimes things that seem so clear are not always that way. Hence why Lady justice is blind and there is balance. It's up to those that investigate and prosecute to help sway that balance and to prove things beyond a reasonable doubt. If you don't like that then...maybe the Army is not for you. Its that document that sits inside the National Archives in Washington DC that makes this Nation so different from any other. The day we stray from it because of our hate and personal prejudices is the day we fail as a Nation.

[cyall]

Just think guys how the world would be if organized religion had never come to be? Just think of all the progress that could ahve occured and all the wars avoided.

My nomination for the funniest post of the week.

[SteveLord]

Call it what it really is.

Islamic Extremeisism and Terrorism. This guy is an enemy of the United States, not just some criminal.

[hrotccadet]

My nomination for the funniest post of the week.

Whys that? People have been killing each other over the most ridiculus things for centuries. Fighting about ten wars to capture land where people believe Christ lived or 19 people flying two planes into buildings because they think they are going to get 72 Virgins? I mean this is crazy people have been killing each other because of this idea of the invisible man in the clouds told them to do it. Lets just imagine how things could be run if instead of faith controlling their actions that they used rational human thinking. I mean that sounds pretty reasonable to me instead of blowing yourself up which how anyone could bring themselves to doing that in my mind is unthinkable. Fighting a war for resources is one thing but fighting a war because of ideology alone is....just dumb.

Blessed are the Fundamentalists for they shall inhibit the Earth.

Look I believe in God but I am NOT going to do something drastic, crazy, fanatic, or just flat out insane and I would hope others would agree with me on this.

[Chaplain4me]

SSG, you need to research the religious wars of the 16th century. Catholics killing Protestants, Protestants killing Catholics, Catholics and Protestants killing Anabaptists.

Or how about the not too long distant past of Northern Ireland? I'm sure I could think of more examples, but it's....

Taps Taps into my rack.

Didn't get to examine throughly your post. Take care SSG.

[Chaplain4me]

We have people trying to destroy our nation. Don't forget that.

There's nothing new under the sun.

[hrotccadet]

If the moderators are reading this could we close this topic? I think it has been dragged out long enough.

[show_stopper999]

May Glenn Beck lead us to GLORY!

[SteveLord]

May Glenn Beck lead us to GLORY!

Not sure whether this was serious or sarcastic, but either way...LOL

[7011USMC]

Not sure whether this was serious or sarcastic, but either way...LOL

I'll second that! My vote for funniest post by show_stopper999:D

[Chaplain4me]

SSG, you make a good argument.

However, there are almost 2 BILLION, Muslims in the world. That's a 1,000,000,000 X 2.

Oh well, I will mark this argument in the loss column. Sound the retreat.

[7011USMC]

Lets not forget these soldiers that were preparing to go in harms way. I still don't know why we don't call it what it really is. Just like 9/11 the media and the government would have you forget. I WILL NEVER FORGET! Hail to the Chief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28