Chapter 11 failure to adapt discharge from Army Basic

[hrotccadet]

Can a person join the Army or any other branch of the service if they recived a Chapter 11 failure to adapt discharge from the Army while in Basic Training? What would be involved in the process and what should I know to do and ny other advice that I could use would be helpful! Thanks

[WO1 Quinones]

Can a person join the Army or any other branch of the service if they recived a Chapter 11 failure to adapt discharge from the Army while in Basic Training? What would be involved in the process and what should I know to do and ny other advice that I could use would be helpful! Thanks

If the Army says you failed to adapt, why would they risk taking you again? Also, if you fail to adapt for the army, imagine the Marines. Coast Guard and the 4H club is a safe bet.

[Diesel]

How long ago did this occur? That might have some bearing. If this was last month, well ...

If this was a decade ago, and you can demonstrate growth and maturity, maybe you'll have a shot.

Although I'm not entirely sure why you'd want to - if this was the result last time around.

[hrotccadet]

How long ago did this occur? That might have some bearing. If this was last month, well ...

If this was a decade ago, and you can demonstrate growth and maturity, maybe you'll have a shot.

Although I'm not entirely sure why you'd want to - if this was the result last time around.

I just got out a few days ago, I had heard that a person has to wait 6 months and then they can reenlist. I understand that I messed up but I want to do this, I want to be in the service! I know that I can do it a second time. There was a person who I was with that went to baic the first time and quit but he came back and graduated this time. If he can do it then why not I? My problem was that I just wasn't prepared, I thought I was but I wasn't and I don't have anyone else to blame but myself.

[WO1 Quinones]

I just got out a few days ago, I had heard that a person has to wait 6 months and then they can reenlist. I understand that I messed up but I want to do this, I want to be in the service! I know that I can do it a second time. There was a person who I was with that went to baic the first time and quit but he came back and graduated this time. If he can do it then why not I? My problem was that I just wasn't prepared, I thought I was but I wasn't and I don't have anyone else to blame but myself.

Wow, you been on the forum for a while too. I didnt know you left to basic. So what happened?

[hrotccadet]

Wow, you been on the forum for a while too. I didnt know you left to basic. So what happened?

I'll send you a PM. If anyone else has advice for me and needs me to explain my story, I'll be more then happy to send them a PM.

[cheeseman]

I'll send you a PM. If anyone else has advice for me and needs me to explain my story, I'll be more then happy to send them a PM.

I saw a lot of guys get out. Seemed pretty easy to do that while in iet training.

[WO1 Quinones]

I'll send you a PM. If anyone else has advice for me and needs me to explain my story, I'll be more then happy to send them a PM.

I didnt get the PM

[robinpugs06]

I know in my case my recruiter did not prepare me at all for what I was about to experience in basic. It didn't help any that I got to reception at 4am and they rushed us through reception in 1.5 days. No time to adjust or get used to military life or try and find out what to expect when going to basic. What a shell shock that was for me...I didn't even know how to recognize all the different insignias or how to march or even how to properly put my hair up.

[richierich]

Well, the normal Joe/Jane would be just fine, you are taught, and supposed to ADAPT, to everything at Basic. Yeah, some recruiters won't get you ready. But, if you can't cut it the first time, you are not entitled to "try two".


I know in my case my recruiter did not prepare me at all for what I was about to experience in basic. It didn't help any that I got to reception at 4am and they rushed us through reception in 1.5 days. No time to adjust or get used to military life or try and find out what to expect when going to basic. What a shell shock that was for me...I didn't even know how to recognize all the different insignias or how to march or even how to properly put my hair up.

[robinpugs06]

It is definitely a shell shock mentally and physically but it really is just all a mind game. Some people just freak out especially if they are young and never been a way from home. My biggest shock was when I got off the bus and was greated by the SHARK ATTACK. But I just stood there and didn't look my DS in the eye and did what I was told. But, some people totally melted down...I don't know your story hrotccadet but being so soon it may be difficult to get back in but if you can prove growth and maturity it may be possible and definitely worth a shot. I don't know how old you are but if you are young it may help you out down the road if you can prove growth and maturity. Just my two cents.

[richierich]

Series GySgt Huff, "Can't Means Won't, Won't Means Jail"

[WO1 Quinones]

I know in my case my recruiter did not prepare me at all for what I was about to experience in basic. It didn't help any that I got to reception at 4am and they rushed us through reception in 1.5 days. No time to adjust or get used to military life or try and find out what to expect when going to basic. What a shell shock that was for me...I didn't even know how to recognize all the different insignias or how to march or even how to properly put my hair up.

Its not the same for everyone. I been to reception during that same time and speed and did it again in the Marines. I had to learn 4 services (mainly 3 during training - add navy to marine boot training) and its the Drills jobs to teach you. Recruiters could prep if they got time but their jobs are to recruit. Some recruiters go above and beyond especially if they see someone might be weak in something or a specific area. You cant make excuses about that because millions in the same boat have done it.

[WO1 Quinones]

It is definitely a shell shock mentally and physically but it really is just all a mind game. Some people just freak out especially if they are young and never been a way from home. My biggest shock was when I got off the bus and was greated by the SHARK ATTACK. But I just stood there and didn't look my DS in the eye and did what I was told. But, some people totally melted down...I don't know your story hrotccadet but being so soon it may be difficult to get back in but if you can prove growth and maturity it may be possible and definitely worth a shot. I don't know how old you are but if you are young it may help you out down the road if you can prove growth and maturity. Just my two cents.

At what week were you discharged from basic training?

[robinpugs06]

I didn't mean to sound like an excuse I was just saying that it does happen. Some people react differently to all that shock. Ya my troubles began about a week in to training. The stress of thinking my background check was going to show something and get me discharged just took over. It effected all aspects of my training. I just needed someone to talk to about it but was denied that opportunity. I know now that it was all a game to get those that had real issues - arrests, etc - to come forward but I didn't know it then. I look back at me 13 years ago and boy was I naive and just plain stupid. We all live and learn.

[7011USMC]

I didn't mean to sound like an excuse I was just saying that it does happen. Some people react differently to all that shock. Ya my troubles began about a week in to training. The stress of thinking my background check was going to show something and get me discharged just took over. It effected all aspects of my training. I just needed someone to talk to about it but was denied that opportunity. I know now that it was all a game to get those that had real issues - arrests, etc - to come forward but I didn't know it then. I look back at me 13 years ago and boy was I naive and just plain stupid. We all live and learn.

Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs lie; Kinda like never to be repeated even on your death bed. You are correct everybody live and learn....Cheer up you'll be fine!:D

[WO1 Quinones]

Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs lie; Kinda like never to be repeated even on your death bed. You are correct everybody live and learn....Cheer up you'll be fine!:D

I am just concerned about the mindset in the combat zone. You wig out at week 1; imagine when the mortars start landing. This is what you will see. Thats me in the background and a rocket that hit our FOB by the B-DIF. I ran outside to see where it hit and another MP took this shot.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/lqmorattack.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/fobhomemortared3.jpg

[7011USMC]

I am just concerned about the mindset in the combat zone. You wig out at week 1; imagine when the mortars start landing. This is what you will see. Thats me in the background and a rocket that hit our FOB by the B-DIF. I ran outside to see where it hit and another MP took this shot.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/lqmorattack.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/fobhomemortared3.jpg

That's it man, game over man, game over! Lets put her in charge. Remember Hudson from Aliens (1986); I concur military is no place for the sick, lame, or lazy. Chief where is your body armour (dragon)....

[WO1 Quinones]

That's it man, game over man, game over! Lets put her in charge. Remember Hudson from Aliens (1986); I concur military is no place for the sick, lame, or lazy. Chief where is your body armour (dragon)....

The FOB alarm didnt even go off on this so no need to run to the bunker lol. Bad guys always did that one pop off to let them know they were around but bugg out. They move fast so we couldnt get a fix on them. Recently, at my RFI I was fitted for the OTV and I like it better than the IBA.

I just realized, I use to go to that little roof to fix that dish so we can get SKY and watch some good movies. Our interpreters lived in that building.

I love this pic of my friend who is a drill.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/battle3.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/battle2.jpg

[WO1 Quinones]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/photo_cadet_life_10.jpg

maybe this might be the better challenge or do this lol

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/themarineposter.jpg

[jasonmiller1975]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/photo_cadet_life_10.jpg

maybe this might be the better challenge or do this lol

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/themarineposter.jpg

I was sooo happy when you changed your avatar away from "The Marine" and then you post ANOTHER pic of John Cena! Horrible movie! HORRIBLE...

Let's hope his new movie is A LOT better!

[WO1 Quinones]

I was sooo happy when you changed your avatar away from "The Marine" and then you post ANOTHER pic of John Cena! Horrible movie! HORRIBLE...

Let's hope his new movie is A LOT better!

lol its looks good. anyway, found this old pic of these high speed female soldiers in my old unit 28th PSB when we were at JRTC back in 99.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/NONGRU1.jpg

[shutterm4]

The FOB alarm didnt even go off on this so no need to run to the bunker lol. Bad guys always did that one pop off to let them know they were around but bugg out. They move fast so we couldnt get a fix on them. Recently, at my RFI I was fitted for the OTV and I like it better than the IBA.

I just realized, I use to go to that little roof to fix that dish so we can get SKY and watch some good movies. Our interpreters lived in that building.

I love this pic of my friend who is a drill.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/battle3.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/battle2.jpg

One of the Drills in my AIT was like 5'2". The females even looked down on him.

[Gbambeck]

I was sooo happy when you changed your avatar away from "The Marine" and then you post ANOTHER pic of John Cena! Horrible movie! HORRIBLE...

Let's hope his new movie is A LOT better!

I agree, It was terrible! He needs acting lessons... Even then, I don't think it will help him.

[hrotccadet]

Anyway my RE code is 3 so I'm gonna have to start working on this now if it can be wavied.

[robinpugs06]

Good for you...JUst keep working on it and if you get a "no" try again at a later time. All you can do is try!

[hrotccadet]

Well I don't want to " try " I want to get in! Does anybody here have an idea what my chances are? Thanks

[CRowland]

The pictures of you looking at the 'smoke in the sky'; Sir, you look like the Rock (Dwayne Johnson). Because you post so many different movie clips and pics I had to look twice. LOL

[robinpugs06]

What I meant by "try" is that if you don't do anything obviously you will never known. Trust me I know what it is like to be overwhelmed at basic. My reasons were different and you have a shot to prove that you can do it. It may be difficult being that it is so soon but at least you don't have the re-4 like I have. I would talk to your recruiter and see what he/she suggests in trying to prove that you are ready this time!

[hrotccadet]

What I meant by "try" is that if you don't do anything obviously you will never known. Trust me I know what it is like to be overwhelmed at basic. My reasons were different and you have a shot to prove that you can do it. It may be difficult being that it is so soon but at least you don't have the re-4 like I have. I would talk to your recruiter and see what he/she suggests in trying to prove that you are ready this time!

Sorry I apologize if I came off as too strong but I really am so determined to get back in at all costs whatsoever and as soon as possible! If there are any recruiters out there please let me know because I have a question to ask and would rather not post it here. Thanks for any help!

[TradyMagrady]

I was sooo happy when you changed your avatar away from "The Marine" and then you post ANOTHER pic of John Cena! Horrible movie! HORRIBLE...

Let's hope his new movie is A LOT better!


Thank you! I'm glad to hear that i'm not the only one that thinks that movie is HORRIBLE!

[hrotccadet]

Anyway in all seriousness does anyone here have any advice what so ever about what I'm going to have to do to get back in? I'm accepting the fact that I'm going to have to wait six months but I want to be prepared for in September when I can go in that I will be able to get in as easily as possible. I'm going to do whatever I have to do to show that the military is for me and that I WANT to be there!

[WO1 Quinones]

The pictures of you looking at the 'smoke in the sky'; Sir, you look like the Rock (Dwayne Johnson). Because you post so many different movie clips and pics I had to look twice. LOL

Kids that saw me in person back in the day said the same thing but those were on good days; now I look like a Sock lol:D

[WIBecky74]

Is he an Infantry Drill by chance? :D :D

Hey... When I make it to OSUT, would you mind (if you're friend is an Infantry Drill) asking your friend to make my OSUT **** for me? (I'm not kidding... I want a sincerely difficult, and hard OSUT...)

I've been really good lately at not expressing too many negative opinions or getting into discussions that go back and forth about something I disagree with. However, I completly feel you are disrespecting all BCT graduates by assuming BCT will be too easy for you without having ever been there yet. It very well may end up being true, towards the end of BCT I did almost all my PT on my own, they had slacked up way too much. You have no idea how you will handle training or the military life yet. I'm confident you will find it pretty easy, but you never know. Many things can happen including just having personal issues that effect how things go for you.

Basic isnt meant to do exactly what you are asking for. As its been said, YOU make it out to be what you want it to be. It can be easy or it can be challenging. YOU decide that. Almost anyone can skate through. You set the goals for yourself and then you accomplish them. No one else can do it for you. You will find that the opportunity will be there for it to be challenging for you. One either gets lazy and takes the easy way out, or you challenge yourself. You can do either one while there. It is no one elses job to do it. You get guidence from your leadership, that is all.

[robinpugs06]

Why does it seem that the posts end up way off target???

[hrotccadet]

Why does it seem that the posts end up way off target???

Thank you! All I did was come here and asked for some advice. Again if there is anyone who hcan give me some much needed help I will be more then happy to get it! Thank you!

[shutterm4]

Thank you! All I did was come here and asked for some advice. Again if there is anyone who hcan give me some much needed help I will be more then happy to get it! Thank you!


So what makes you think that you will actually go through with your committment this time? If you got out pretty recently, why are you looking to come back so soon?

I ask not to be rude, but I ask because you truly need to know the answer to these questions. You can PM your answer if you want.

[hrotccadet]

Sent you a PM

[Chaplain4me]

You should think about trying to adapt to college or adapting a job. And wait a few years before adapting back to the military.

You are going to have to wait for a waiver and as you wait, you might as well adapt to college.

You will need to see a head doctor, to see if everything is working in there.

[dancersoldier]

You should think about trying to adapt to college or adapting a job. And wait a few years before adapting back to the military.

You are going to have to wait for a waiver and as you wait, you might as well adapt to college.

You will need to see a head doctor, to see if everything is working in there.


this is true. a college degree will let your future employer, military or not, know that you can commit to something that is long term. i had a few friends in basic and in ait that wanted out of the army for whatever reasons and did what ever they had to do to get out. i called them on the phone after they finally left post and were chaptered out and they were like "yeah i got 5 months till i can get back in". and in the back of my head i was thinking, there are hundreds of recruits out there who are qualified and can handle the pressures of basic and ait. why would the military take back someone who got out when they can use that money to train someone who's going to stay in for 4, 10, 15, 20, 40 years.

i know this sounds harsh, and before i left for basic i would've said something different. but my sergeants spent so much time on the people that were acting up so they could get chaptered out that the rest of the company who were doing the right thing and could adapt got really ignored and it was a little ridiculous. they were too busy doing chapter 11 etc . . .paper work that other important paper work like getting bah stuff done got pushed aside.

i also heard that they are getting tough on waivers because so many people are enlisting. if you do get back in, stay in. military is a recession and depression proof job.

like i said, i know it's harsh, but that is what it feels like from the inside. and probably how some of your battle buddies felt about you.

[hrotccadet]

this is true. a college degree will let your future employer, military or not, know that you can commit to something that is long term. i had a few friends in basic and in ait that wanted out of the army for whatever reasons and did what ever they had to do to get out. i called them on the phone after they finally left post and were chaptered out and they were like "yeah i got 5 months till i can get back in". and in the back of my head i was thinking, there are hundreds of recruits out there who are qualified and can handle the pressures of basic and ait. why would the military take back someone who got out when they can use that money to train someone who's going to stay in for 4, 10, 15, 20, 40 years.

i know this sounds harsh, and before i left for basic i would've said something different. but my sergeants spent so much time on the people that were acting up so they could get chaptered out that the rest of the company who were doing the right thing and could adapt got really ignored and it was a little ridiculous. they were too busy doing chapter 11 etc . . .paper work that other important paper work like getting bah stuff done got pushed aside.

i also heard that they are getting tough on waivers because so many people are enlisting. if you do get back in, stay in. military is a recession and depression proof job.

like i said, i know it's harsh, but that is what it feels like from the inside. and probably how some of your battle buddies felt about you.

Wait thats not fair to say that I tried to get out because I didn't get out for the sake of just getting out. Again I'm not blaming anyone but myself for not passing but there were other factors that lead me down a downward spiral. All I want is a second chance thats all. Honestly if I didn't want back in or a second chance then why would I be looking for one?

[dancersoldier]

Wait thats not fair to say that I tried to get out because I didn't get out for the sake of just getting out. Again I'm not blaming anyone but myself for not passing but there were other factors that lead me down a downward spiral. All I want is a second chance thats all. Honestly if I didn't want back in or a second chance then why would I be looking for one?


i wasn't saying that you did no-go things to purposefully get out cuz i don't know your situation. but just be mindful of that.
if you want to get back in, stay physically fit. make sure you do see someone (psychologist). it will look good if u are seeing someone on a regular basis. i had problems and thought i failed to adapt, and i went to the counselor on post (during ait). that helped allot being able to talk openly about my issues.

i did not mean to be harsh i really didn't.

[dancersoldier]

what state u from?

[Chaplain4me]

is to adapt to college, and even Basic ROTC while you wait. Having a BA will help you get promoted when/if you do get back in.

I think they should make people wait at least 5 years before they let them back in. Make them prove that their lives are different.

I got back in by the skin of my back. There was about a 4 month window were they let re-4s in. My timing was marvelous. I will just say OCT is a great month.