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JasonFLARNG
February 28th, 2009, 12:26 PM
Do people on AGR orders still have to drill one weekend a month? I am considering a 79T AGR job. I am currently an 11C. If I accept the 79T AGR job, I will have to reclass to 79T. If I have to drill on weekends while on AGR, what would I drill as considering I would no longer be an 11C?
Mr_Loki
February 28th, 2009, 12:39 PM
If you are the Recruiting and Retention NCO, you will drill as the RRNCO. They will have you down as 11C but your unit will probably want you to do your job during drill.

This is up to your unit, though.
HR NCO
February 28th, 2009, 12:52 PM
Once you actually become AGR you no longer belong to your unit. You are assigned to your States Recruiting headquarters. Then, you will most likely be assigned a unit in your recruiting area that you are supposed to visit on drill weekend to try to work on retention issues and also to try to stir up some leads.


If you are AGR and not a recruiter then yes...you will drill with the unit you are assigned to.
dancersoldier
February 28th, 2009, 01:23 PM
how do you apply for an AGR position? i just got out of ait, is it too soon for me to apply?
Mr_Loki
February 28th, 2009, 01:53 PM
You have to first look on your states vacancy list... for us

http://vko.va.ngb.army.mil/virginiaguard/employment/agr/index.html

Then you select which position...the directions will be at the bottom of the posting.
richierich
February 28th, 2009, 02:05 PM
Or here, if you want to move:

http://www.il.ngb.army.mil/
chd
February 28th, 2009, 03:52 PM
how do you apply for an AGR position? i just got out of ait, is it too soon for me to apply?

It's not too soon to apply, but most of the spots that I have seen (in my home state) are for E-5/E-6 paygrades. Some allow waivers for E-4 applicants, but I'm not sure how feasible it is to land a spot with a waiver when your application is competing with so many others.
Mr_Loki
February 28th, 2009, 11:01 PM
CHD,

For E4s, it's not really a waiver. It's just a different process. For NCO's, they get a NCOER every so often. Basically an evaluation on how you are doing. Since Specialists do not get them, they need a Letter of Recommendation from the CO.
chd
March 1st, 2009, 02:41 AM
CHD,

For E4s, it's not really a waiver. It's just a different process. For NCO's, they get a NCOER every so often. Basically an evaluation on how you are doing. Since Specialists do not get them, they need a Letter of Recommendation from the CO.

Just checked the individual job announcements... you're absolutely right in the general sense and I made a comment based on one specific one... in cases in which E-4 is two grades below the listed grade, a "waiver" is required according to the listing. So, it's not the fact that an E-4 is applying (like I said and you corrected), but that they are two spots removed from the recommended E-6 pay grade. Thanks for clearing that up.
SteveLord
March 1st, 2009, 04:11 AM
Fulltime jobs are very competitive. You also need to investigate how that affects your bonus since that subject comes up a lot with this.
Mr_Loki
March 1st, 2009, 03:52 PM
Maybe I am still confused on what you're saying (i've had a couple rough nights...back from iraq...you catch my drift ;) ) and I'll see if this makes sense to you.

For a supply sergeant job, the grade is E6. For most companies, an E4 can apply but will need that letter. But, if accepted, it's an automatic promotion to E5 (If requirements are met). I havent seen an E4 apply to a position that says an E4 cannot apply. Maybe i'll do it to see the outcome.

Are we on the same track? lol.
chd
March 1st, 2009, 04:07 PM
For a supply sergeant job, the grade is E6. For most companies, an E4 can apply but will need that letter. But, if accepted, it's an automatic promotion to E5 (If requirements are met). I havent seen an E4 apply to a position that says an E4 cannot apply. Maybe i'll do it to see the outcome.

I'm looking at an announcement for an E-5 position...

The announcement states: "Eligible enlisted personnel in grades E3 through E5 will be considered under this tour announcement. Personnel in the grade of E3 must request a waiver for being two grades below required grade of the AGR position, and if selected will not be placed on tour without approval from The Adjunct General."

http://states.ng.mil/sites/RI/employment/Lists/ArmyAir%20AGR%20Positions/Attachments/25/60-09%20Human%20Resources%20SGT,%20E5,%20118th%20MP%2 0BN.pdf


Are we on the same track? lol.

I think so... I used the word "waiver" and you used the word "letter" - I don't know if we're both right or wrong or whatever.
Mr_Loki
March 1st, 2009, 07:26 PM
Well, I can see an E3 needing a waiver being that it's a full time job and an E3 doesnt have too much experience in the military. E4 is pushing it.

Here is what I got... gotta go to bottom of 2nd page.
http://vko.va.ngb.army.mil/jobs/docs/51-09%20Supply%20Sergeant.pdf

This one is for E4
http://vko.va.ngb.army.mil/jobs/docs/64-09%20%20Training%20NCO1.pdf


Never seen an E3 but I know 2 E3s that were AGR. Gotta look into it.
SGTHess
April 21st, 2009, 12:07 PM
I came into an E6 AGR position as an E4. My E5 was contingent upon me getting MOSQ'd which I just did. If you are an e-4 and take an e-5 or e-6 agr position of which you already hold the MOS..... say the job is a 92A and you are 92A then you will get your e5 as soon as you come on board with AGR.
Phantom
April 23rd, 2009, 12:53 AM
I am a AGR and HATE drill weekends. I dont mind drill but the 12 days straight get on my nerves!! ha ha.. Especially if we are at the Armory, if we go to the field, its a nice break.
dnall
April 23rd, 2009, 01:44 AM
I am a AGR and HATE drill weekends. I dont mind drill but the 12 days straight get on my nerves!! ha ha.. Especially if we are at the Armory, if we go to the field, its a nice break.
Clearly you need to talk your state into 4day work weeks. That monday off after drill is a life saver. Plus four days a week is real nice the rest of the month.
SteveLord
April 23rd, 2009, 02:03 AM
I am a AGR and HATE drill weekends. I dont mind drill but the 12 days straight get on my nerves!! ha ha.. Especially if we are at the Armory, if we go to the field, its a nice break.

Come on Phantom...you must not be AGR if you're working THAT much. ;)
Phantom
April 23rd, 2009, 02:06 PM
Come on Phantom...you must not be AGR if you're working THAT much. ;)

Ok Ok, I am required to be there for 12 days during that time.. But sometimes Team Building Exercises are manditory. Glad the COL plays golf alot!!
SGTHess
April 23rd, 2009, 02:39 PM
I am with you... I absolutely hate it... this week ***** because we had drill this past weekend. I got lucky though... no one in the office today so I am working on my personal laptop leveling up my druid. It's nice to be caught up and not have to make myself look busy for other peoples benefit!
rat4spd
April 26th, 2009, 02:06 PM
I am with you... I absolutely hate it... this week ***** because we had drill this past weekend. I got lucky though... no one in the office today so I am working on my personal laptop leveling up my druid. It's nice to be caught up and not have to make myself look busy for other peoples benefit!

;) Can't wait for D3.