Prior Service but did not complete MSO

[Eric Kampi]

Completed basic and AIT for regular army but discharged at airborne school for medical reasons, uncharacterized, re code 3, erroneous enlistment.

Wanted to join the guard but my recruiter told me that I have to sign up for almost 8 years active drilling because I did not complete my MSO. Anyone know of anything different? Could I get a 3 year or 6 year enlistment?

[VTguard]

Your recruiter is correct. If you did not complete your initial 8 year oblibation in the military, then you must enlist in the National Guard for the remainder of your MSO.

[andrew.tischner]

sorry you have to enlist for the entire remaining part of your MSO

[AbnMtn]

Completed basic and AIT for regular army but discharged at airborne school for medical reasons, uncharacterized, re code 3, erroneous enlistment.

Wanted to join the guard but my recruiter told me that I have to sign up for almost 8 years active drilling because I did not complete my MSO. Anyone know of anything different? Could I get a 3 year or 6 year enlistment?


He's correct. You'll have to enlist for the remainder of your MSO.

[JO1E]

It all depends on what your status is.
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Source:
FY-06 Enlistment Criteria
Army National Guard Enlistment Program
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Glossary Non-prior Service (GNPS) - Persons who were
previously separated from any US Armed Force, to include
a reserve components, are classified as GNPS if they have
served on active duty for less than 180 days and have not
previously been awarded an MOS. (This includes
applicants who were discharged from a "conditional"
enlistment because of a positive pre-accession Drug and
Alcohol Test (DAT). Applicants who are MOS qualified
regardless of time on active duty are considered prior
service.

Prior Service (PS) - For enlistment purposes, an applicant
who has been awarded an MOS or who has served more
than 179 days of active duty as a member of the armed
forces.


2-30. GNPS authorized periods of enlistment
GNPS applicants must enlist for a period of years, months and days equal to the unfulfilled portion of their original MSO.
GNPS applicants may not select one of the authorized periods of enlistment listed in paragraph 2-29 above. The entire
period of enlistment will be served as a member of the Selected Reserve. (See chapter 3 for enlistment programs/options).


2-31. PS authorized periods of enlistment
a. PS applicants who do not have a current Selected Reserve obligation and who have -
(1) 24 months or more remaining on their Military Service Obligation (MSO); must enlist in the ARNG for the remaining
portion of their MSO of which at least 2 years must be served in a drilling status. Note: Any remaining balance at ETS may be
served in the IRR or the applicant may initiate a DA FM 4836 to extend their contract to continue serving in a drilling status.
(2) At least 12 months but less than 24 months remaining on their MSO; must enlist in the ARNG in a drilling status for the
entire balance of their MSO, unless enlisting for the “Try One Option” as outlined in Para 3-14.
(3) Less than 12 months remaining on their MSO; must enlist in the ARNG in a drilling status for a minimum of 1 year. Note:
Applicants classified as permanent resident aliens with less than 12 months remaining on their MSO are not be
eligible for enlistment unless a 1 year waiver is granted (see para 2-14a(2).
(4) No remaining MSO; must enlist in the ARNG (drilling status) for minimum of one year.
b. PS applicants who have a current selected reserve obligation (regardless of MSO) and who have -
(1) At least 12 months or more remaining on their current contractual obligation; must enlist in the ARNG for the entire
balance of their contractual obligation. All time must be served in a drilling status.
(2) Less than 12 months remaining contractual obligation must enlist in the ARNG (drilling status) for a minimum of 1 year.
(3) No remaining contractual obligation; must enlist in the ARNG (drilling status) for minimum of one year.
c. Authorized periods of enlistment in paragraphs a and b above are the minimum requirements. PS applicants may
elect to serve longer however at no point may they enlist for a period of more than 6 years.
d. PS applicants who were discharged prior to completing their original MSO, (MSO was terminated) must enlist in a drilling
status for a period of years, months and days equal to or greater than the unfulfilled portion of their original MSO, but not less
than 1 year. At a minimum, they must serve the remainder of their MSO in a drilling status, or any period (in whole years)
beyond that, up to 6 years.
e. Applicants who are eligible and who subsequently elect enlistment options, monetary incentives, educational benefits, or
any combination of these, must enlist for the periods stipulated by the program from which they desire.
f. PS applicants classified as permanent resident aliens (see para 2-14a(2)) may not enlist if they have completed a total of
8 years of Federal military service. Additionally, an applicant, classified as a permanent resident alien, may not enlist for a
period of which when combined with previous military service, exceeds 8 years of total Federal military service. Federal military
service includes all combined periods of military service, both active and reserve (including IRR).
g. WAIVERS or exceptions to policy: None


Section V
Try One in the Guard Enlistment Option
3-13. Purpose
The purpose of the Try One in the Guard enlistment option is to attract PS applicants for enlistment into the ARNGUS without
requiring a long contractual obligation. While this option is only available to PS applicants in the grade of E-5 and below, it is
considered a valuable enlistment tool. PS applicants enlisting under the Try-One in the Guard enlistment option need to only
contract in the ARNGUS for one year in a drilling status. Efforts should be made on the part of the Soldier’s unit commander to
retain Soldiers in the Guard as well as explaining the benefits of continued service.
3-14. Eligibility (PS Only)
a. Enlistment is authorized in the Try One in the Guard program for PS applicants who have previous service in:
(1) Any Active or Reserve Component of the U.S. Armed Forces, excluding ARNGUS and ANGUS.
(2) The ARNGUS or ANGUS and has a break in service of at least 6 months.
b. PS applicants may enlist up to the pay grade held at the time of discharge/separation, but not to exceed the grade of E-
5. Enlistment can be made without regard to the grade required by the position vacancy. Applicants enlisting under the Try
One in the Guard option need not be DMOS qualified.
c. PS applicants with remaining MSO must enlist for the balance of their MSO even though they may only participate in the
Selected Reserve for 1 year. Any remaining MSO will then be served in the IRR or an extension may be initiated on a DA
Form 4836 to extend their enlistment. Applicants whose MSO was terminated, as a result of an unfavorable discharge or per
Table 2-1 or AR 635-5-1 are not eligible for this enlistment option (See para 2-31c).
d. Applicants must understand and agree to the participation requirements prior to enlistment. The following statement will
be entered in the remarks section of the DD Form 1966 series. “Applicant was counseled concerning Try One in the Guard.”
The applicant will initial this statement.

[AbnMtn]

As mentioned before, you'll have to serve the remainder of your MSO on drill status. A fraudulent enlistment will cause your MSO to be terminated and as such paragraph 2-31d applies to your case:

"d. PS applicants who were discharged prior to completing their original MSO, (MSO was terminated) must enlist in a drilling
status for a period of years, months and days equal to or greater than the unfulfilled portion of their original MSO, but not less
than 1 year. At a minimum, they must serve the remainder of their MSO in a drilling status, or any period (in whole years) beyond that, up to 6 years."

As you can see, if you substract the time spent in BCT and AIT, that will still leave 7 years and change to complete your MSO.