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Draco771
January 26th, 2009, 11:29 PM
I've found a Nursing program that would be possible for me to get into (that's in my area) I can get an Associates in Nursing, and get Registered Nurse certifications, but than would have to transfer into possibly WSU or UW etc. later on to go for the other two years of study for my BSN, and than perhaps another two, maybe three years of study (at the same university) to get my PA...

Does the Army National Guard, in Washington State have any programs that could help me in getting my degree(s)/Certifications?

Or perhaps Active Duty/Army Reserve?

QuantumRN
January 26th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Yes, they do. I have the flyer in my office. I will post that info here tomorrow if you don't get an answer in the meantime.

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 12:02 AM
Yes, they do. I have the flyer in my office. I will post that info here tomorrow if you don't get an answer in the meantime.


Alright, thank you! =)

Still working on getting hold of a regular recruiter in the meantime...

matthew.ritchie
January 27th, 2009, 02:42 AM
You can draw all the education assistance available to anyone for any accredited program, presuming you have completed Basic and AIT. Once you have your RN, you can commission into Army Nurse Corps, although you really need a BSN if you want to make a 20 year career, so you can get promoted all the way up. Email or PM me for additional ideas and guidance.

WO1 Quinones
January 27th, 2009, 03:34 AM
I am surrounded by medical ;)

http://www.goarmy.com/amedd/index.jsp http://www.goarmy.com/amedd/find_a_recruiter.jsp

http://www.agd.state.tx.us/RR/medical.htm

The General that works in my building homepage http://www.healthcare.hqusareur.army.mil/

eyemedic
January 27th, 2009, 10:47 AM
I am surrounded by medical ;)

http://www.goarmy.com/amedd/index.jsp http://www.goarmy.com/amedd/find_a_recruiter.jsp

http://www.agd.state.tx.us/RR/medical.htm

The General that works in my building homepage http://www.healthcare.hqusareur.army.mil/


Be happy you are surrounded by medical! If we like you, we will use the small needle if not..........

QuantumRN
January 27th, 2009, 12:21 PM
Here's the link from the flyer in my office. It really is not as informative as I thought it was going to be, but it's a start. Get in touch with your state's AMEDD recruiter for more information.

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Be happy you are surrounded by medical! If we like you, we will use the small needle if not..........

That is so F* up! :D

LOL

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Here's the link from the flyer in my office. It really is not as informative as I thought it was going to be, but it's a start. Get in touch with your state's AMEDD recruiter for more information.

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php

definitely working on getting in touch with him/her...

trying to find the link on here to get in touch with WAARNG AMEDD...

WO1 Quinones
January 27th, 2009, 01:37 PM
oh cmon!! I get the big needle all of the time lol. You think being in a medical unit is just medical people? lol. Look at the medical MOSes. I work with Medical systems officers. Nothing to do with needles. But they can wear the high speed EFMB and I am just allowed to put it on my ORB if I decided to do it.

QuantumRN
January 27th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Here is the number to the OSM in WA. They should be able to get you in contact with the AMEDD recruiter.

253-581-3030

eyemedic
January 27th, 2009, 04:12 PM
oh cmon!! I get the big needle all of the time lol. You think being in a medical unit is just medical people? lol. Look at the medical MOSes. I work with Medical systems officers. Nothing to do with needles. But they can wear the high speed EFMB and I am just allowed to put it on my ORB if I decided to do it.


Yes but we give injections in the eye (yes I mean IN the eye). Not the place you want a big needle!:cool:

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 06:33 PM
Here is the number to the OSM in WA. They should be able to get you in contact with the AMEDD recruiter.

253-581-3030

Just called the OSM, idk if the person I'm talking to is AMEDD or not, no clue... lol

Arlgiht...

So......

Talked to the OSM, and from what I've been told...

Gotta go into the Guard, Enlisted (hopefully wont matter what MOS) into College First (gotta retake the ASVAB... =/.....) so I can finish my Associates, and than transfer over into the UW into ROTC...

But only thing is, from what I've been learning, the only Medical units minus the Med Com in Tacoma are on the other side of hte state... =/

And no idea which (if either) units nearby have any Medics... =/

I know they have MPs though... =) ..........

But other than 25U, 25B, and 31B, I have no clue what MOSs are in the closest Armory...

Lance13A
January 27th, 2009, 07:00 PM
But other than 25U, 25B, and 31B, I have no clue what MOSs are in the closest Armory...
do the job you want to do. don't do something just because it's close by. make the drive. it's only once a month.

QuantumRN
January 27th, 2009, 07:01 PM
That DOESN'T sound like the Student Recruiter Program. Maybe ask MAJ Ritchie, or talk with the AMEDD recruiter from your state.

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 07:20 PM
Yes but we give injections in the eye (yes I mean IN the eye). Not the place you want a big needle!:cool:

Are you 68W? :confused:

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 07:22 PM
do the job you want to do. don't do something just because it's close by. make the drive. it's only once a month.

But the expenses to make that trip once a month can take up an entire paycheck (I only can do oddjobs until/unless I get the part-time firefighting gig)

Being a Medic though, that is a job that would help quite a bit though, especially regarding being a part-time firefighter, while I get my training up...

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 08:32 PM
That DOESN'T sound like the Student Recruiter Program. Maybe ask MAJ Ritchie, or talk with the AMEDD recruiter from your state.

I don't think they have an AMEDD recruiter to be honest... Because no one knew anything about the SRP...

qcomer
January 27th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Here ya go....

WASHINGTON

2LT Traci Willie
AMEDD Recruiter
(253) 582-6522
traci.willie@wa.ngb.army.mil


The Adjutant General, Washington
ATTN: AMEDD Recruiter
10020 Bridgeport Way
Lakewood, WA 98499
Fax: (253) 589-7070

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 09:43 PM
Here ya go....

WASHINGTON

2LT Traci Willie
AMEDD Recruiter
(253) 582-6522
traci.willie@wa.ngb.army.mil


The Adjutant General, Washington
ATTN: AMEDD Recruiter
10020 Bridgeport Way
Lakewood, WA 98499
Fax: (253) 589-7070

Quinten, are you feeling alright? :confused:

Reason I ask, is 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time you ever speak to me, is as a total douchebag...

Well...

anyways...

Thank you =)


Umm Quinted, BTW... You honestly were one of the last people I had ever thought (next to "That Guy" [because he hates it apparently when I use his first name] "Gulf" and "Lib"....) would actually look for that information... (if you don't mind me asking... where'd you find it??? My google-fu has been looking for that for almost 2 and half horus now...)

qcomer
January 27th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Quinten, are you feeling alright? :confused:

Reason I ask, is 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time you ever speak to me, is as a total douchebag...

Well...

anyways...

Thank you =)

I just get tired of ignorance and people acting like they know what they're talking about...when they have zero experience.

Start there, see what they can do.

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 09:53 PM
I just get tired of ignorance and people acting like they know what they're talking about...when they have zero experience.

Start there, see what they can do.

Well thank you ;)

Draco771
January 27th, 2009, 10:04 PM
I'll just call him/her tomorrow...

(reason I say him/her, is because I know several men, and women whome have the first name of Traci...)

Lance13A
January 28th, 2009, 02:40 AM
But the expenses to make that trip once a month can take up an entire paycheck (I only can do oddjobs until/unless I get the part-time firefighting gig)

Being a Medic though, that is a job that would help quite a bit though, especially regarding being a part-time firefighter, while I get my training up...
yeah, if it's not financially feasible don't do it. i'm making a 3.5 hour drive for my drills, but i'm not joining for the monthly pay, so it's negligible anyways in my book. either way, try to figure out a way to get the job you want. don't settle, you're going to be in a contract.

49thadband
January 28th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Here's the link from the flyer in my office. It really is not as informative as I thought it was going to be, but it's a start. Get in touch with your state's AMEDD recruiter for more information.

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php


Edit: Copied and pasted "Unconditionally accepted into a Medical, Dental, or Physician Assistant educational program" I apologize, I scanned the info. it looks like it is not for nurses, only these three degrees?

Quant, if a student knew they wanted to become a Nurse, please offer your opinion of this scenario.

1. Join guard in fall of senior year of high school. take 12 hours of basic college courses at community college right after graduation from high school(Summer I and Summer II)

2. RSP until going to basic, plan on going to basic right after second summer session of college, around mid August.

3. Go to basic and AIT back-to-back, starting mid August finishing by mid-January?

4. enroll in a four-year university in January, get all of the benefits of a regular M-Day soldier, G.I. bill, kicker, and keep any bonuses received.

5. Then, whenever student is within 3 years of graduating with their BSN, go ASR.

I came up with the idea of going to summer school first, because as a parent I imagine a lot of parents wouldn't like the idea of their child going to an extended period of Army training, because parent would fear the kid would lose focus on college education, especially after getting the paycheck for period of months.

Other reasons, I can see a kid losing his academic "edge" if he/she didn't keep up their their academic skills at a college. And, those 12 hours of community college are basic courses that everybody needs, they're cheap, and the student could easily live at home for that 2.5 months, working out getting ready for basic while establishing a good start for their GPA, should be 3.0 at the very least.

49thadband
January 28th, 2009, 05:54 AM
same hypothetical, only student wants to be Dr. same undergrad stuff, majors in Biology, but after Freshman year of college, does the ROTC-SMP, keeps bonuses, gets all ROTC benefits.

Then commissions, goes to med school or chooses a branch? I think I read somewhere a person can postpone branching if person chooses med school?

Anyway, student attends first year of med school, then starting 2nd year student chooses ASR. What do you think?

QuantumRN
January 28th, 2009, 09:22 AM
You must be accepted into med/PA/dental school before you can apply for the ASR program. From what I can remember from the last ARNG medical team conference, there are a limited amout of ASR spots each year. (We can't pay everybody to go to school!) Also, I do believe that nursing is in fact included even though it's not specifically stated. Your AMEDD recruiter would know.

Other than that, I don't see any problems with your plan. The ASR's in my state were never prior enlisted. It doesn't mean it can't be done, you might have to look more into that. Our AMEDD recruiter recruited them right at school they were already enrolled in. They all commissioned about 2 months ago.

EDITED to reflect accurate information

eyemedic
January 28th, 2009, 09:57 AM
Are you 68W? :confused:
Working on it.

QuantumRN
January 28th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Okay QUICK UPDATE:
According to my state OSM, the AMEDD Student Recruiter Program does NOT include Nurses. Nationally, there is not a huge need for nurses, and they were dropped off the program eligibility.

Draco771
January 28th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Okay QUICK UPDATE:
According to my state OSM, the AMEDD Student Recruiter Program does NOT include Nurses. Nationally, there is not a huge need for nurses, and they were dropped off the program eligibility.


:(

So it doesn't cover nursing school to get a BSN than PA?

QuantumRN
January 28th, 2009, 06:46 PM
No, it doesn't. You would have to utilize College First, GI Bill, Kicker if you have it, and/or state tuition waivers to go to Nursing school. At PA school, yes, you could use it.

If you contracted through ROTC, you could go to Nursing school and be a "dot". :o

Draco771
January 28th, 2009, 07:18 PM
No, it doesn't. You would have to utilize College First, GI Bill, Kicker if you have it, and/or state tuition waivers to go to Nursing school. At PA school, yes, you could use it.

If you contracted through ROTC, you could go to Nursing school and be a "dot". :o

But if I do ROTC, I'd want to get into Armor Infantry or Artillery... (Because I'd have the opportunity/chance to get into either of them... and since the ARNG garuntees what type of Officer MOS/Branch you get.................. especially considering there is an Infantry, and Cavalry unit nearby almost every ROTC unit in WA.........)

eyemedic
January 29th, 2009, 09:15 AM
Don't give up on your RN. There are ways you can get it done with minimal cost. You could still go into the Guard, do your weekends, and go to school. Get your prereq.'s, (if you don't have them already), Do your first year of Nursing (most schools require you do this on campus), do your second year online.

Once your finish your second year try to time it to your reenlistment time. By having your RN (somebody correct me if I am wrong). You can reenlist for OCS as an RN. Finish your BSN online (way to many programs to list to do that). And you are set to go for your ARNP or PA. This is the path I am taking. Wish I would have done it when I was younger. I am about halfway through (2nd year RN online program). Being male I got lots of grant money, as well as loans.

QuantumRN
January 29th, 2009, 11:24 AM
Once your finish your second year try to time it to your reenlistment time. By having your RN (somebody correct me if I am wrong). You can reenlist for OCS as an RN. Finish your BSN online (way to many programs to list to do that). And you are set to go for your ARNP or PA. This is the path I am taking. Wish I would have done it when I was younger. I am about halfway through (2nd year RN online program). Being male I got lots of grant money, as well as loans.

OCS isn't needed, you can direct commission once you have your RN.

Question for you....

How do you do your clinicals if you take classes online???:confused: Is that for your ADN or the RN>BSN pathway?

eyemedic
January 29th, 2009, 11:40 AM
OCS isn't needed, you can direct commission once you have your RN.

Question for you....

How do you do your clinicals if you take classes online???:confused: Is that for your ADN or the RN>BSN pathway?

I work in the medical field. (Ophthalmic Clinical Research) however in the program I am in I will have to go to a testing site for hands on evalution of skills and a practical exam. Everything is is done online. I get a program guide and study for the test. Then I go to a local testing site and take the exam (makes sure your honest and not cheating).

QuantumRN
January 29th, 2009, 11:57 AM
What about direct patient care? Times sure have changed!

eyemedic
January 29th, 2009, 12:43 PM
What about direct patient care? Times sure have changed!

I have direct patient care everyday. Part of the reason for this course is it is targeted to people who already have careers that allow them direct clinical experience. I complete medical evaluations of patients and there histories, determine eligibility to participate in clinical research and coordinate the retrievel of medical records from there other providers, as well as conduct the clinical trial as well. (Or as much as I can without the MD after my name). That and I teach different classes as well. Bio-Hazardous Safety, OSHA comp., Emergency Response, CPR /AED, and First Aid for the Healthcare Provider. I have been in the field since 1993.

QuantumRN
January 29th, 2009, 01:00 PM
Sounds like you have good clinical experience in you area. That's awesome. I was just thinking along the lines of clinical rotations through med/surg, pediatrics, ER, L&D, psych, etc.... that type of patient care. It is always good to reinforce "book" knowledge with actual experience when it comes to passing the NCLEX. Passing the board exams are nerve wracking!!!! Are you planning to stay in your field after you graduate or do something else? Sounds like you have an awesome job!

eyemedic
January 29th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Actually I already have a diverse backgrtound including 2.5 years ER, and about four years time volunteering on EMS crews, I have six children from 17-5 (have delivered two babies , not mine though) so I pretty much have L&D and Peds. covered, I did clinical rotations in my first year of RN school in Geriatric and med/surg, and I worked in jeuvenille detention facilities for about 5 years (some psych as well). Currently I do like my job it pays well and I determine how much time I spend with a patient. So the level of care and personal interaction is much greater.

Passing the NCLEX is something I am very apprehensive about at this point though. I will do my best however it is a beast to get through. Would have been finished by now but had to stop at the end of my first year do to the birth of my youngest. He had alot of medical issues when he was born. I stayed home with him for two years before I went back to work and then restarted RN school within the past 3 months.

QuantumRN
January 29th, 2009, 01:33 PM
Looks like you got it covered! What about others who do their RN online that don't have as much experience as you?

I don't mean to interrogate you, so sorry if I come across that way. IMHO, only portions of Nursing school are appropriate to be solely didactic and taught online. I hope that other students are able to gain as much experience as you!

Good luck!

eyemedic
January 29th, 2009, 01:50 PM
Its OK I don't mind. You have to do the basic first through a local school in classroom. Most of the nursing schools have already gone online for the second year. Scary to thikn but eventually it will be totally online. Some of the local hospitals have aggreements with the local schools to hire some of the students as "nurse techs" which allows those with little or no real experience to work in a supervised enviornment.

But my program aslo has a skills check off or practical aspect. I have to go to a specific testing location and be observed giving patient care, it lasts about a week (I believe, I haven't gotten to that point yet). But I had to seaerch long and hard to find it and get approaved. This was the only way I will be able to finish my RN. It will probably take a little longer but choices are limited.

But feel free to ask away!