Hooah Courses?

[AmPat]

Probably a long shot, but I'll ask anyway. Does ARNG let its aviators go to other non aviation-related hooah courses after they are rated. I know that a lot of pilots go through SERE and aviation-related schools, but I'm talking about Ranger or Air Assault or Airborne or Sapper, etc.

[SteveLord]

Money+Seats+PT Score+CoC's feelings toward it = Your answer.

[Recruiter yosis]

maybe Air assault (recruiters have enlistment program for that )

Airborne unless you are in a jump unit not going to happen

[AmPat]

I guess I don't know enough about the Army yet. I have always wondered how you can have whole divisions of things..mountain divisions, armored divisions, airborne divisions, infantry divisions.

In the Marines we just had Marine Divisions. They had a mixture of every ground combat element that you would need to conduct warfighting. Although in modern combat, divisions-proper rarely deploy and fight as a whole anymore.

I know a major who is a nurse who went to jump school (is that the same as airborne?). And at the time, she was on some program to get her Master's. All she did was go to school. So, I would think if she can do it, other non-airborne could too.

Look at that. I just jacked my own thread.

[Recruiter yosis]

yes jump school is the same as airborne.

Unless you are in a jump status unit there's a good chance it won't happen.
Back around 2002-2003 Active Army got a little upset about National Guard units were sending soldiers to jump school.After school never jump again. So big army made a rule if you go to jump school you must be on jump status for 36 mos(correct me if I'm wrong on it ).So it makes it harder for us to go to that type of school.

To get around that.... Talk to your Armory Recruiter about schools.Every so often recruiting command puts out schools for enlistments.

For example I already have my wings (true) ,I would get an e-mail from my OIC saying that NGB has put a memo For XXX amount (mostly 3-4 enlistments) you go to jump school.

Now, this school is tranferable.So I make it a contest with the soliders.I would tell them this information get me 2 enlistments first will go to jump school,Air Assault and so on.
---OR--
put in a DA 4187 for jump school if they say no so what you killed a tree.


Hope that helps


You might be able to go sapper.

Air Assault would be your best chance

[chd]

This may or may not be the best place to ask this question, but I haven't read an answer on this from someone who has been through BCT/AIT/OSUT recently and am wondering:

As someone who enlisted in the Guard, if you score a 300 on the APFT and express a desire to go, will you be able to volunteer for Airborne if they ask for people at the end of BCT/AIT/OSUT?

I know that this has happened in the past, but as I recall from reading posts, everyone that acknowledged this said that they saw it happen but didn't volunteer.

Can a Guardsman get a spot this way or is it only reserved for AD?

[SteveLord]

This may or may not be the best place to ask this question, but I haven't read an answer on this from someone who has been through BCT/AIT/OSUT recently and am wondering:

As someone who enlisted in the Guard, if you score a 300 on the APFT and express a desire to go, will you be able to volunteer for Airborne if they ask for people at the end of BCT/AIT/OSUT?

I know that this has happened in the past, but as I recall from reading posts, everyone that acknowledged this said that they saw it happen but didn't volunteer.

Can a Guardsman get a spot this way or is it only reserved for AD?

Its a good question. I would think your home unit would expect to see you back at the original time.

Would your state pay for it? Or is it just an already open payed for slot?

[Recruiter yosis]

I really could not answer that for ya.

The two things I could advise you on since you haven't been to OSUT is 1st get the jump physical outta the way then talk to the airborne recruiter when you are in OSUT.

When you get back put the 4187 in for jump school.

There are only a few guard jobs that you must have jump school to complete training in MD that I know of would be our SF, Riggers,and LRLS units.

It changes State to State but you get the idea.

[Recruiter yosis]

Its a good question. I would think your home unit would expect to see you back at the original time.

Would your state pay for it? Or is it just an already open payed for slot?


The state pays for it.

[chd]

The state pays for it.

Then it's unlikely. Thought that maybe it was a loophole in which Guardsman could get a federally paid Airborne slot. If the state has to foot the bill, I can't imagine that they'd send a someone fresh out of OSUT who doesn't need Airborne even with a perfect APFT score. Won't hurt to try though.

[SteveLord]

The state pays for it.

This is if it's initially in your contract yes, but I just want to make sure you know my questions was regarding if you are offered a spot at the end of OSUT.

[Recruiter yosis]

Well I would think the Federal would flip the bill

[chd]

Well I would think the Federal would flip the bill

Hmm, so maybe there is hope (as it pertains to the feds paying for a Guardsman's Airborne training after BC/AIT/OSUT). I'll let you all know in August when I rock a 300 :cool: and express interest to my DS.

[HR NCO]

I've had a few soldiers who were offered airborne while at basic because of PT score and im sure other motivational factors as well. This was not in their contract and they came back to their guard unit afterwards. Its pretty much just the luck of the draw whether or not they offer it to you.

[chd]

I've had a few soldiers who were offered airborne while at basic because of PT score and im sure other motivational factors as well. This was not in their contract and they came back to their guard unit afterwards. Its pretty much just the luck of the draw whether or not they offer it to you.

Awesome. Do you recall/know if it was right after BCT (and AIT was delayed) or after AIT/OSUT that they went to Airborne School?

[CPT Burritt]

I've had Soldiers and Officers offered ABN or Ranger. They had to turn em down and come home.

Its just the luck of the draw, your abilities and your state's ability to fund it.

[chd]

I've had Soldiers and Officers offered ABN or Ranger. They had to turn em down and come home.


Because they didn't want it or because the state wouldn't pay the bill?

[Recruiter yosis]

The state wasn't going to keep you soldiers on active orders??

[HR NCO]

Awesome. Do you recall/know if it was right after BCT (and AIT was delayed) or after AIT/OSUT that they went to Airborne School?

it was after AIT...generally i've seen it most often happen to 11Bs

[ZeroConcept]

Here's a question, I have let's say you've joined the Guard via the Active First program. I'm an 11B and that's what I've done. What I want to know is, if I was offered Airborne after OSUT, because I'm active first, would I be allowed to accept or would I have to decline (and if so, for what reasons?)

[WO1 Quinones]

Probably a long shot, but I'll ask anyway. Does ARNG let its aviators go to other non aviation-related hooah courses after they are rated. I know that a lot of pilots go through SERE and aviation-related schools, but I'm talking about Ranger or Air Assault or Airborne or Sapper, etc.

Get stationed at Fort Campbell :D Two of my TAC officers were Aviators with Air Assault wings but they were stationed at Campbell during their careers.

[ZeroConcept]

Here's a question, I have let's say you've joined the Guard via the Active First program. I'm an 11B and that's what I've done. What I want to know is, if I was offered Airborne after OSUT, because I'm active first, would I be allowed to accept or would I have to decline (and if so, for what reasons?)
Not trying to bump an old thread, but could anyone please answer this if they could? Thanks.

[WO1 Quinones]

Not trying to bump an old thread, but could anyone please answer this if they could? Thanks.

If you being offered it and you accept it then it will be in your contract. why would you decline? just met a sergeant the other day that did that after AIT but broke his ankle at school. Didnt get his wings. :(

[ZeroConcept]

If you being offered it and you accept it then it will be in your contract. why would you decline? just met a sergeant the other day that did that after AIT but broke his ankle at school. Didnt get his wings. :(
Oh, ok. I think I read a few times in this same thread that even if people were offered it, most likely couldn't go. Maybe this is because they're on drill status. Either way, I'm going Active after OSUT so I just gotta bust my chops on making it happen. Became highly interested in Ranger school not too long ago. I knew I should of done a little more research before I signed. :(

[dnall]

Who told you that you're going active after OSUT? If you're not on an active first contract, then you are not.

Never say no to schools though, and being on drill status has nothing to do with getting or not getting schools. It's all about slots.

[ZeroConcept]

Who told you that you're going active after OSUT? If you're not on an active first contract, then you are not.

Never say no to schools though, and being on drill status has nothing to do with getting or not getting schools. It's all about slots.
I am on an Active First contract.

Thanks for the information, though. I'm sorry about the mild-ignorance, I'm still learning and getting used to being in the military.

[dnall]

Okay, if you're going active first then work hard at OSUT. If this is infantry, then they'll come around asking for people to go airborne & probably ranger too, maybe SFAS if you're really on the ball. Take every school you ever have the opportunity to attend.

If you don't get the chance at OSUT, when you get to your first unit, work hard & make sure your SL/PSG/1SG know that you want to attend such schools if the opportunity arises. You'll get in-briefed & counseled. That's a good time to let them know. Just be careful what you wish for cause a lot of that stuff is pretty hard.

[ZeroConcept]

Okay, if you're going active first then work hard at OSUT. If this is infantry, then they'll come around asking for people to go airborne & probably ranger too, maybe SFAS if you're really on the ball. Take every school you ever have the opportunity to attend.

If you don't get the chance at OSUT, when you get to your first unit, work hard & make sure your SL/PSG/1SG know that you want to attend such schools if the opportunity arises. You'll get in-briefed & counseled. That's a good time to let them know. Just be careful what you wish for cause a lot of that stuff is pretty hard.
I appreciate the information. I will do my best. Thank you, sir. :cool:

[LRS_Paratrooper]

Not trying to bump an old thread, but could anyone please answer this if they could? Thanks.

It's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. If your already infantry, nad you're a stud you can ask for it. You will have to go through PRC at WTC FTBGA.

[oldspice]

German Armed Forces Proficiency Badge:
we're offered a chance to compete for this once a year

Air Assault:
Florida just opened their AA course at Camp Blanding earlier this year (2009); I hear it'll be open once a year

Airborne:
when at Air Assault a general came by and told us we could sign up for Air Assault at Fort Benning if we had to drop out of the course at Camp Blanding for whatever reason, he also said we could sign up for Airborne; one soldier tried to sign up for Airborne since the general said we could (squared away he was, super high PT, awesome ASVAB, etc., always on time, always squared away, a great leader, etc. etc.) but he promptly got his butt chewed out; we're not an Airborne unit so they figured he didn't need to "cost us that kind of money" or something like that, I don't remember the word-for-word response...although the general did say we could go...

Other schools?
Combat Life Saver, one for finding mines a few guys went to, combatives, I guess there are a bunch of things you can do, but getting permission to go is the problem; the Soldier of the Year competition sends you all over the US, and the regional winners I hear get to tour the Pentagon, DC, etc. etc.