Guard promotions

[James2912]

Hey how does the promotions system for the Guard work how much time do you usually spend in a rank? I found a chart but it was for active duty. For example the chart said 6 months as an E1 any info or insight on this would be great!

[Tigerforce]

the charts are a guide but remember it is up to your command on whether or not you get that promotion.

[James2912]

I found the active charts but are they all the same?

[HR NCO]

E1-E4 are automatic promotions, the requirements are as follows:

PROMOTION TO E2- 6 months time in service
PROMOTION TO E3- 12 months time in service and 4 months time in grade
PROMOTION TO E4- 24 months time in service and 6 months time in grade

For these promotions, your time in service starts the day you start basic, not the day you join. Your commander may deny you these promotions, but if he did you would have to be counseled on why you were being denied the promotions. Also, the commander may grant you a waiver to be promoted early if he thinks your deserving.

There are other ways you can be promted early as well.
Early advancement to E2
1 year JROTC or ChalleNGe
Awarded Boy Scout Eagle Certificate or Girl Scout Gold Award
Completed at least 24 college semester hours
Complete MS1 of college ROTC
Stripes for skills program
Refer one qualified aplicant who enlist into the ARNG

Early Advancement to E3
Complete at least 3 years of JROTC
Refer 1 qualified registered nurse(RN) or medical doctor(MD)
Refer 2 qualified applicants who enlist in the ARNG
Complete at least 48 college semester hours
Complete MS2 of college ROTC
Any combination of 2 requirements for E-2(except stripes for skills)

[NewRecruit60639]

Im coming in as an E-3 ( I have the 48 college hours). Does that mean I have to wait 24 months to be promoted to E-4 or are there options for me.

There was a white phaser at our RSP this past weekend that got promoted from E-3 to E-4. I didnt get a chance to ask how that happened for him. Anyone have any insight?

[SteveLord]

They arent 100% automatic. They do require a passing PT score as with all promotions. Weapon qual too I believe.

[HR NCO]

only promotion for E3 to E4 that can be given before attending IET would be for having a college degree. However, if you have a long AIT and you happen to reach 24 months while attending IET, you will be promoted to E4 at training.

If you enlist as an E3, then you'll have to wait till you hit 24 months unless you get a bachelors degree. There is the possibility of being promoted with a waiver earlier, but this would not happen before attending training. This is something your commander could do when you completed AIT and got to your unit. you have to be MOS qualified before being promoted to E4 unless its because of a degree.

[HR NCO]

They arent 100% automatic. They do require a passing PT score as with all promotions. Weapon qual too I believe.

Technically they do come automatically, the commander has to actually send something up saying "do not promote", or else they will be promoted automatically. Commander must counsel anyone if they will not be promoted, but this can be for failing the PT test as you mentioned.

[colvinji]

So how does it work for prior service? How much of my PS time in service and time in grade count.

[HR NCO]

your time in service will be based off your adjusted PEBD.

[SteveLord]

Technically they do come automatically, the commander has to actually send something up saying "do not promote", or else they will be promoted automatically.


Shhhhhh!!! :rolleyes:

[31Brecruit]

Quick question on this subject. I signed as a E2 in December with 47.5 semester hours. Odd I know. They would not budge on the .5 hours at MEPS. Is there anything I can do to get promoted to E3 before shipping in Feb besides getting someone else to sign in four weeks lol? :rolleyes:

[HR NCO]

not unless you can become an eagle scout, complete a year of ROTC, or pick up another .5 credit from somewhere. yeah...you might be stuck for now. actually, if you could probably check with a local community college because they sometimes have courses you can complete in 4 weeks that you just attend on the weekend. Or perhaps even an online course that you could complete at your own pace. It could be something simple, take the easiest class they offer to just get the other credits you need for the promotion.

[Frisco]

So how does it work for prior service? How much of my PS time in service and time in grade count.

Your Time-In-Grade will be re-set, starting on the day you sign your NG contract. Yeah, I know; it *****.

[31Brecruit]

not unless you can become an eagle scout, complete a year of ROTC, or pick up another .5 credit from somewhere. yeah...you might be stuck for now. actually, if you could probably check with a local community college because they sometimes have courses you can complete in 4 weeks that you just attend on the weekend. Or perhaps even an online course that you could complete at your own pace. It could be something simple, take the easiest class they offer to just get the other credits you need for the promotion.


Thanks, I figured such. I'm digging around to see what I can find.:D

[colvinji]

Your Time-In-Grade will be re-set, starting on the day you sign your NG contract. Yeah, I know; it *****. that ok as long as my time in service counts towards promotion, so I only have to wait 6 months and be in good standing and get my e-4. James2912 post up the link you found to the chart.

[joshua1991]

So, since i enlisted as an E-1 in July, would i be promoted to E-2 this month?

[SteveLord]

So, since i enlisted as an E-1 in July, would i be promoted to E-2 this month?

You have to inquire with your chain of command about it. This is a big mistake privates make all the time and they endup being E1s, E2s and E3s for a while.

If you're not a dirtbag, E2 is easily accepted.

[shutterm4]

Technically they do come automatically, the commander has to actually send something up saying "do not promote", or else they will be promoted automatically. Commander must counsel anyone if they will not be promoted, but this can be for failing the PT test as you mentioned.

I dont know when this started, but my advancements got all sorts of messed up and i just recently received my PFC. As i understand it, a DA4187 has to be filled out and signed by the commander for the advancements thru e-4. Mine were all sorts of jacked up and someone never bothered to put them thru until the last couple months where i was advanced to e-2 one drill and then to e-3 the next. In my very recent experience, they are not automatic and you have to find someone willing to do their job to get you squared away. It could just have been the people in my unit, but i never got advanced automatically and i have the hand filled out 4187 in my iperms to prove it.

I believe that SPC may be waiverable down to 18 months. But i am not 100% sure on that one. Otherwise if you stay pfc for 24 months just be happy that you didnt get paid as and e-1 or and e-2. It will be ok if you have to do a little time before you get that advancement.

[shutterm4]

So, since i enlisted as an E-1 in July, would i be promoted to E-2 this month?

If you shipped to basic in july, otherwise you will be an E1 until you get back from AIT

[WJ71]

Can you get a waiver after 18 months TIS to be promoted to E4?

[SteveLord]

Can you get a waiver after 18 months TIS to be promoted to E4?

It is not impossible. Obviously, your commander needs good reason. And good reason comes with spending time with the unit.

It is also not impossible to make E5 2-3 years in and E6 with less than 6.

Lot of factors contribute to E5 and up though.

[Kimarhi]

Since this thread is still recent.

If I am an Eagle Scout, and a holder of a two year degree, I could potentially start off as an E3?

If my weapons and physical training standards are up to snuff?

[HR NCO]

Since this thread is still recent.

If I am an Eagle Scout, and a holder of a two year degree, I could potentially start off as an E3?

If my weapons and physical training standards are up to snuff?

The two year degree alone would qualify you for E3. But yes...eagle scout is also a way for promotion.

[Kimarhi]

So I wouldn't really need both then.

[SteveGuard]

Sergeant,
So if I have been a PFC since April - exactly what has the last 11 months contributed towards (promotion wise),having not been to basic yet, if anything.

Thanks in advance.

[montana]

yah im a captian and i whent through rotc

[DEMO]

What is time in service mean. I was just told that my time is service is from when I got to basic training. I dont know how true it is. I thought is was from time of swearing in at MEPS.

[richierich]

Pay Entry Base Date is when you begin boot.

Your Time in Service begins upon signing your contract/swearin' in.


What is time in service mean. I was just told that my time is service is from when I got to basic training. I dont know how true it is. I thought is was from time of swearing in at MEPS.

[HR NCO]

Pay Entry Base Date is when you begin boot.

Your Time in Service begins upon signing your contract/swearin' in.

(PEBD) Pay Entry Base Date begins when you swear in, as does your TIS. BASD (Basic Active Service Date) starts the day you ship to basic.

[jdcampbell]

I've read this through a few times but let me be sure I have it right. I'm prior service with 2yrs8mos TIS. I will be enlisting as E-2......So, my TIS continues, starting the day I swear in, and my TIG starts over. But, no matter how many months go by, I will not be able to be promoted to E-3 until I am MOSQ. Is that correct?

[shutterm4]

Sergeant,
So if I have been a PFC since April - exactly what has the last 11 months contributed towards (promotion wise),having not been to basic yet, if anything.

Thanks in advance.

It has contributed to your retirement points, and helped you build character.

[richierich]

Well, my PEBD started when I stepped into boot, I signed 10 months before that (in the DEP program). This was in the Marines, I wouldn't think it would be different between services.


(PEBD) Pay Entry Base Date begins when you swear in, as does your TIS. BASD (Basic Active Service Date) starts the day you ship to basic.

[jdcampbell]

Well, my PEBD started when I stepped into boot, I signed 10 months before that (in the DEP program). This was in the Marines, I wouldn't think it would be different between services.
I would have to guess that is because DEP is not a paid status, no drill, no uniforms, etc.

[richierich]

So it must be when you actually start workin for Uncle Sam. We didn't have RSP in the Corps, although we had somethin similar once amonth...DEP.
I would have to guess that is because DEP is not a paid status, no drill, no uniforms, etc.

[Frisco]

I've recently had my PEBD adjusted to properly reflect my prior service. I did about six months in DEP, four years of active duty, and another year and a half in IRR (this was back when the MSO was six years instead of eight). They took all of that time (DEP, active duty, and IRR) and 'back dated' my PEBD to six years before the day I signed my National Guard contract. So, my TIS is now 7+ years (been in the Guard just over a year now).

TIG was re-set to the day I signed the Guard contract.

Regarding MOSQ for promotions in grades E-1 through E-4, I looked briefly though AR 600-8-19, and it appears that is not a bar to promotion; just takes a 4187 from your commander as you will not be automatically promoted by TIS/TIG. I really don't know for sure, though, as it never applied to me so I never looked very deeply into it.

[richierich]

Same here, after reenlisting, you have a new recalculated PEBD, and there's a formula for it. I couldn't log into AKO for several months, b/c I was entering my original PEBD. AKO helpdesk clarified my new PEBD.

But to be promoted, I believe you need to be MOSqd, regardless.


I've recently had my PEBD adjusted to properly reflect my prior service. I did about six months in DEP, four years of active duty, and another year and a half in IRR (this was back when the MSO was six years instead of eight). They took all of that time (DEP, active duty, and IRR) and 'back dated' my PEBD to six years before the day I signed my National Guard contract. So, my TIS is now 7+ years (been in the Guard just over a year now).

TIG was re-set to the day I signed the Guard contract.

Regarding MOSQ for promotions in grades E-1 through E-4, I looked briefly though AR 600-8-19, and it appears that is not a bar to promotion; just takes a 4187 from your commander as you will not be automatically promoted by TIS/TIG. I really don't know for sure, though, as it never applied to me so I never looked very deeply into it.

[HR NCO]

Well, my PEBD started when I stepped into boot, I signed 10 months before that (in the DEP program). This was in the Marines, I wouldn't think it would be different between services.

Yeah...the DEP program is why it is different for other branches and why your PEBD would have been different.

[FutureHooah]

I'm graduating from a 4 year university in May. If I were to sign a NG contract right now, I would only qualify for E-3, correct? If I do sign, I would want to ship to BCT in August.

Having said that, would I automatically be promoted to E-4 upon attaining my Bachelors come the end of May, or would I have to have the minimum 18 months TIG/TIS?

[HR NCO]

I'm graduating from a 4 year university in May. If I were to sign a NG contract right now, I would only qualify for E-3, correct? If I do sign, I would want to ship to BCT in August.

Having said that, would I automatically be promoted to E-4 upon attaining my Bachelors come the end of May, or would I have to have the minimum 18 months TIG/TIS?

Yes...you would enlist now as an E3. When you graduate in May you could turn in a copy of your diploma and you would then be advanced to E4 before you ship to training.