CSA/SMA Sends: Army Service Uniform (ASU)

[LT_77]

SUBJECT: Army Service Uniform (ASU)

Tomorrow Army Leadership will announce the wear instructions and bridging strategy for the blue Army Service Uniform (ASU). These instructions support the decision to consolidate our dress uniforms as part of a streamlining process that began in 2004 with our combat uniforms.

The Army began with the reduction of the number of combat uniforms from three to one with the adoption of the Army Combat Uniform (ACU). The ACU replaced both the summer and winter weight Battle Dress Uniforms and the Desert Camouflage Uniform. This uniform consolidation and streamlining has been successful in terms of Soldier acceptance and reducing the type of uniforms Soldiers must maintain in their clothing inventory. The blue ASU
eliminates the need for multiple Class A type uniforms.

Streamlining our Class A style uniforms into one ASU reduces the number of uniforms a Soldier must maintain throughout their career. The Army will phase out the green uniform and replace it with the blue ASU. The National blue color of our ASU reflects utility, simplicity, cost-savings and a timeless tradition with roots tracing to the Continental Army of the 1700s. Soldiers asked for an Army uniform that represents the traditions of our service, looks good in appearance and fit, and generates the pride Soldiers want when representing the premier service of the United States.

Since the June 2006 decision to transition from the green to the blue
ASU, we have actively sought recommendations from Soldiers and their leaders who expressed their recommendations for altering the wear policy for the blue ASU. The message tomorrow will incorporate these recommendations into the wear policy of the current blue ASU and outline the bridging strategy for our transition. Tomorrow's message represents the recommendations and inputs from Soldiers and leaders in more than 150 Soldier forums around the world conducted over the last two years. In the Army's 2007 formal survey, Soldiers clearly indicated they wanted tradition, a uniform reflecting pride of service, recognition of their credentials, and low maintenance and upkeep costs. Survey results told us 98% of Soldiers wanted recognition of their combat service, 70% wanted recognition of their unit affiliation and 75% wanted recognition of their regimental affiliation. Soldiers indicated their preference to allow those authorized to wear "jump boots" with their Class A and B uniform to continue that important tradition. We have incorporated these recommendations into the wear policy.

Tomorrow's message will outline the wear of the current, commercially available blue ASU for wear as our service Class A uniform. As the new blue ASU uniform items come available in Military Clothing Sales Stores, Soldiers will replace their current green ASU clothing items. The new blue ASU will include the coat and low waist trousers for male Soldiers; and the coat, slacks and skirt for female Soldiers. The fabric of the new blue ASU consists of 55% wool and 45% polyester blend which is heavier and wrinkle resistant compared to the present commercially available blue uniform. The new ASU coat when available will utilize an athletic cut to improve fit and appearance, and will include a new improved heavier and wrinkle resistant short and long-sleeved white shirt with permanent military creases and shoulder loops. The mandatory possession date for the new ASU is the 4th quarter of FY14. Industry should have the new ASU available for purchase in our Military Clothing Sales Stores in the 4th quarter of FY09 and added to Initial Entry Training Soldier's clothing bags in the 4th Quarter of FY10.
During this transition time, I encourage leaders to begin wearing their current blue ASU as their service Class A in accordance with the wear policy established in tomorrow's message at every appropriate opportunity and occasion.

The implementation of this wear policy represents another step in our transformation to a campaign quality expeditionary force that is dominant across the spectrum of 21st Century conflict.

Thanks for all that you do for the Nation and the Army. Army Strong!
CSA/SMA

[CPT Burritt]

Finally! Now I don't have to worry about getting my A's tailored...

[WIBecky74]

Seasoned Veterans and soldiers are used to it, but it will be different for some of us to see formations with two different sets of uniforms on. On the bright side, I dont have occasion to wear my dress uniform, however, my body has gotten larger since IET and mine likely doesnt fit anymore. I was very skinny (not alot of muscle, all skin and bones) when fitted, then gained alot of muscle and kinda filled out.

[California Major]

The mess dress uniform? I would hate to see that go away. Looks pretty nice at formal events.

[Abn Inf]

Soldiers indicated their preference to allow those authorized to wear "jump boots" with their Class A and B uniform to continue that important tradition. We have incorporated these recommendations into the wear policy.


This is great news for Paratroopers, Rangers, and SF!

[wafflecopter]

All sounds great to me!

[WO1 Quinones]

well active duty leads the way. Now I have to get this squared away for my dining-in. They should of went with the Pinks and Greens or kept the new grey shirt with the ASU.

[wafflecopter]

well active duty leads the way. Now I have to get this squared away for my dining-in. They should of went with the Pinks and Greens or kept the new grey shirt with the ASU.
new username to show off your rank big boy?

[LT_77]

Using LT in my username probably isn't showing off... lol

I think you have to be a CPT in order to start getting some respect :D

[WO1 Quinones]

I think you have to be a CPT in order to start getting some respect :D

just in the cyberworld sir.

[mwines]

The mandatory possession date for the new ASU is the 4th quarter of FY14. Industry should have the new ASU available for purchase in our Military Clothing Sales Stores in the 4th quarter of FY09 and added to Initial Entry Training Soldier's clothing bags in the 4th Quarter of FY10.

SWEET... ill still be able to get a green uniform at BCT... dont like the blue as much - but at least ill get to own the green and look snazzy in it for a while :cool:

[PFC Lowe]

I like the blue, but am glad to be getting the green as well

[CPT Burritt]

Using LT in my username probably isn't showing off... lol

I think you have to be a CPT in order to start getting some respect :D

It makes a big difference... :D

But you lose the ability to play dumb.

[WO1 Quinones]

Subject: Army Service Uniform (asu) Wear Policy

1a. The Wear Policy For The Blue Asu Is Intended To Give Soldiers What
They Have Asked For In A Service Uniform While Maintaining The
Traditions Of Our Service. These Changes Include Authorization Of A
Combat Service Identification Badge (csib) To Recognize Combat Service,
Overseas Service Bars Authorized On The Jacket Sleeve For Both Enlisted
Soldiers And Officers, The Wear Of Distinctive Unit Insignia On The
Shoulder Loops Of The Blue Coat For Enlisted Soldiers, Authorizing
Paratroopers To Wear The Black Jump Boots With The Blue Asu, And The
Decision To Transition To A New Short Sleeve And Long Sleeve White Shirt
With Shoulder Loops. To Honor The Heritage And Traditions Of Combat
Service, The Csib Is Authorized For Wear On The Asu And Replicates Wear
Of The Shoulder Sleeve Insignia-former Wartime Service (ssi-fwts) Patch.
The Subdued Ssi-fwts Patch Continues To Serve As The Principal Insignia
For Wear On The Army Combat Uniform (acu). Local Commanders Can
Authorize The Wear Of The Non-subdued Ssi And Ssi-fwts On The Acu For
Special Occasions Such As Change Of Command, Reenlistments, Color Guards
And Other Special Occasions.

1b. History: The Army Currently Has Three Service Uniforms; Green,
Blue, And White. Enlisted Soldiers Receive The Green Service Uniform As
Part Of Their Basic Clothing Bag Issue When They Enter The Army During
Initial Entry Training. The Army Further Provides Active Duty Enlisted
Soldiers An Annual Clothing Allowance To Maintain Proper Fit And
Appearance Of Their Basic Clothing Bag Issue Items. The Army Includes A
Series Of Stipends In This Annual Clothing Allowance Towards The
Replacement Of The Green Service Uniform And All Basic Clothing Bag
Items. For Enlisted Soldiers, The Blue Service Uniform Is An Optional
Wear Item, Purchased If Desired, And Worn On Appropriate Occasions.


2a. To Streamline The Number Of Uniforms Soldiers Purchase And
Maintain Throughout Their Careers, The Army Will Phase Out The Green And
White Service Uniforms And Retain The Blue Service Uniform As Our Asu.
Soldiers Who Currently Have A Blue Service Uniform Can Immediately Begin
Wearing This Uniform As Their Asu

2b. The New Army Asu Will Include A New Coat And Low Waist Trousers
For Male Soldiers; And A New Coat, Slacks And Skirt For Female Soldiers.
The New Fabric For The Asu Is Heavier And Wrinkle Resistant Over
Previously Manufactured Uniforms And Will Consist Of 55% Wool And 45%
Polyester Material. The New Asu Coat Will Have A Tailored, Athletic
Cut, To Improve Uniform Fit And Appearance. The Asu Will Include A New
Improved Heavier And Wrinkle Resistant Short And Long-sleeved White
Shirt With Permanent Military Creases And Shoulder Loops. The Army
Anticipates The New Asu Items Available For Purchase In Our Military
Clothing Sales Stores In The 4th Quarter Fy 2009.

3. The Army Encourages Soldiers And Leaders, Who Own The Current (old)
Asu, When Appropriate, To Wear As Their Dress Blue, Class A Or Class B
Uniform. This Message Establishes A Class B Uniform Category For The
Current Blue Asu As Part Of Our Bridging Strategy. The Class B Uniform
Category Defines Those Asu Items Worn Without The Service Coat.

4. Dress Blue Asu: The Dress Blue Asu Includes The Army Blue Coat And
Trousers, A Long-sleeved White Shirt And Black Bow Tie For Males. The
Army Dress Blue Asu For Females Includes The Army Blue Coat, Skirt, And
A Long-sleeved White Shirt With Black Neck Tab. Currently, Females In
Army Bands, Honor Guards, And Female Chaplains Are Authorized To Wear
Army Blue Slacks In The Performance Of Their Duties. The Black Beret
And Service Cap Are Authorized For Wear With This Uniform. When The
Dress Blue Asu Is Worn For Evening Social Occasions (after Retreat)
Commanders Can Direct No Headgear Required. Combat Boots And
Organizational Items, Such As Brassards, Military Police (mp)
Accessories And Distinctive Unit Insignia (dui) Are Not Authorized For
Wear With The Dress Blue Asu. All Other Accessories And Insignia
Authorized For Wear With The Class A Service Uniform Are Authorized For
Wear On The Dress Blue Asu.

5. Class A Asu: The Class A Asu Includes The Army Blue Coat And
Trousers/skirt/slacks, A Short Or Long Sleeve White Shirt And
Four-in-hand Necktie (male)/neck Tab (female). (for Accessories And
Other Items Authorized For Wear On The Class A Asu See Insignias,
Awards, Badges And Accouterments Worn With The Dress Blue, Class A, And
Class B Asu Paragraph Below.)

6. Class B Asu: The Class B Asu Includes The Army Blue
Trousers/skirt/slacks, A Short Or Long Sleeve White Shirt. Soldiers
Will Wear The Four-in-hand Necktie With The Long Sleeve White Shirt When
It Is Worn Without The Class A Coat. (for Accessories And Other Items
Authorized For Wear On The Class B Asu See Insignias, Awards, Badges And
Accouterments Worn With The Dress Blue, Class A, And Class B Asu
Paragraph Below). Until The New Asu Items Are Available, Soldiers Who
Have The Low Waist Trousers With Belt Loops, Or Slacks, Have The Option
Of Wearing A Commercial Short Sleeve White Shirt With Shoulder Loops In
The Open Collar Configuration Or With A Four-in-hand Necktie (black Neck
Tab For Female Soldiers). Soldiers Have The Option Of Wearing A
Commercial Long Sleeve White Shirt With Shoulder Loops And A
Four-in-hand Necktie (black Neck Tab For Female Soldiers). Soldiers Who
Have The Current Commercial White Shirt Without Shoulder Loops Must Wear
As Appropriate, The Black Wind Breaker, Black Pullover Or Black Cardigan
Sweaters With This Uniform.

7. Soldiers Who Have The High Waist Blue Trousers Worn With Suspenders
(designed To Wear With The Blue Mess Uniform) May Wear These Trousers
With The Current Asu During This Transition Period. These High Waist
Trousers Must Be Worn With The Service Coat, Black Wind Breaker, Black
Pullover Or Black Cardigan Sweaters.

8. The Army Will Place The New Asu Items In The Soldier's Clothing Bag
For Initial Entry Soldiers In 4th Quarter, Fy 2010. The Mandatory
Possession Date For The New Asu Items Is 4th Quarter, Fy 2014.

9. The Asu Consists Of The Following Items:

- Asu Coat
- Asu Trousers, Low Waist With Belt Loops (male Soldiers)
- Asu Slacks, Low Waist (female Soldiers)
- Asu Skirt (female Soldiers)




10. Asu Accessory Items Authorized For Wear Iaw Ar 670-1, Wear And
Appearance Of Army Uniforms And Insignia.

- Belt With Gold Buckle (para 27-2b And 2d, And 27-25)
- Boots, Combat, Leather, Black (optional For Wear With Class A And
Class B Uniforms, Only For Those Soldiers Authorized To Wear The Tan,
Green, Or Maroon Berets, Those Assigned To Air Assault Coded Positions,
And Mps Performing Mp Duties.)(para 27-3)
- Bow Tie, Black (worn After Retreat) (para 27-19a)
- Buttons (para 27-4)
- Cape, Black (officer Only) (para 27-6a)
- Cape, Blue (officer Only) (para 27-6b)
- Chaplain's Apparel (para 27-7)
- Cuff Links And Studs, Gold (para 27-10)
- Coat, Black, All Weather (para 27-8)
- Gloves, Black, Leather, Uni***, Dress (worn With Black
All Weather Coat Or Black Wind Breaker) (para 27-12b)
- Gloves, White, Dress (para 27-12c)
- Handbag, Black, Fabric Or Leather (para 27-13b)
- Handbag, Black, Shoulder (para 27-13d)
- Handbag, Black, Clutch Type, Optional Purchase (para 27-
13a)
- Hat, Drill Sergeant (authorized For Wear With Class A And Class B
Uniforms) (para 27-14a)
- Judge's Apparel (para 27-15)
- Military Police Accessories (not Authorized With The Formal Class A
Asu)
- Necktie, Black, Four-in-hand (worn On Duty) (para 27-19c)
- Neck Tabs (para 27-18)
- Scarf, Black (only With Black All Weather Coat Or Black
Windbreaker) (para 27-21a)
- Shirt, White, Long Sleeve (para 27-22c)
- Shirt, White, Short Sleeve (para 27-22a)
- Shoes, Oxford, Black (para 27-23a)
- Shoes, Pumps, Black (para 27-23f And 23g)
- Socks, Black, Cushion Sole (worn With Boots Only) (para
27-24a)
- Socks, Black, Dress (worn With Trousers/slacks) (para 27-
24b)
- Stockings, Sheer (para 27-24d)
- Sweater, Pullover, Black (para 27-27)
- Sweater, Uni*** Cardigan, Black (para 27-26a)
- Undergarments, White (para 27-28)
- Umbrella, Black (females My Carry And Use An Umbrella, Only During
Inclement Weather, When Wearing The Dress Blue Asu. Umbrellas Are Not
Authorized In Formations Or When Wearing Field Or Utility Uniforms)
- Windbreaker, Black (only With Class B Uniform) (para 27-30)

[WO1 Quinones]

11. INSIGNIAS, AWARDS, BADGES AND ACCOUTERMENTS WORN WITH THE DRESS
BLUE, CLASS A AND CLASS B ASU: NOTE EXCEPTION:

- AIGUILLETTES, SERVICE (OFFICERS ONLY) (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE CLASS B
ASU) (PARA 28-25) AND (28-26)
- AIRBORNE BACKGROUND TRIMMING (PARA 28-31B)
- BRANCH OF SERVICE SCARVES (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE ENLISTED FORMAL CLASS
A SERVICE UNIFORM) (PARA 28-20)
- BRANCH INSIGNIA (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE CLASS B ASU) (PARA 28-10 AND
28-12A)
- BRASSARDS (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE DRESS BLUE ASU) (PARA 28-29)
- COMBAT SERVICE IDENTIFICATION BADGE (CSIB) (NEW ITEM TO BE WORN WHEN
AVAILABLE) THE CSIB WILL BE WORN WHEN AVAILABLE IN PLACE OF THE SSI-FWTS
ON THE ASU. THE CSIB WILL BE WORN CENTER ON THE WEARER'S RIGHT BREAST
POCKET OF THE ASU COAT FOR MALE SOLDIERS; FEMALE SOLDIERS WEAR THE CSIB
ON THE RIGHT SIDE PARALLEL TO THE WAISTLINE ON THE ASU COAT. THE CSIB
IS RANKED FIFTH IN ORDER OF PRECEDENCE BELOW THE PRESIDENTIAL,
VICE-PRESIDENTIAL, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
IDENTIFICATION BADGES. THE CSIB CAN ALSO BE WORN ON THE SHIRT WHEN
WEARING THE CLASS B VERSIONS OF THE ASU (PARA 29-18)
- DECORATIONS AND SERVICE MEDAL RIBBONS (PARA 29-7, 29-8 AND 29-9)
- DISTINCTIVE ITEMS AUTHORIZED FOR INFANTRY PERSONNEL (PARA 28-30)
- DISTINCTIVE UNIT INSIGNIA (ENLISTED ONLY) AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR ON THE
CLASS A AND CLASS B UNIFORMS ONLY) (PARA 28-22)
- FOREIGN BADGES (PARA 29-19)
- FOURRAGERE/LANYARDS (PARA 28-11)
- GOLD STAR LAPEL PIN (PARA 29-7)
- HEADGEAR INSIGNIA (PARA 28-3)
- INSIGNIA OF GRADE (PARA 28-5, 28-6, 28-7 AND 28-8)
- OCS/WOC INSIGNIA (PARA 28-14 AND 28-15)
- NAMEPLATE (PARA 28-24C)
- ORGANIZATIONAL FLASH (PARA 28-31A)
- OVERSEAS SERVICE BARS (OPTIONAL)(PARA 28-28)
- REGIMENTAL DISTINCTIVE INSIGNIA (OPTIONAL) (PARA 28-23)
- SERVICE STRIPES (ENLISTED PERSONNEL ONLY) (PARA 28-27)
- UNIT AWARDS (PARA 29-11)
- U.S. BADGES (IDENTIFICATION, MARKSMANSHIP, COMBAT AND SPECIAL SKILL)
(PARA 29-13, 29-16, 29-17 AND 29-18)
- U.S. INSIGNIA (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE CLASS B ASU) (PARA 28-4)

12. THE LEADER'S IDENTIFICATION INSIGNIA (GREEN TAB) IS NOT AUTHORIZED
TO BE WORN ON THE ASU.

13. HEADGEAR AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE ASU:

- BERET (BLACK, MAROON, GREEN AND TAN)
- SERVICE CAP (MALE/FEMALE; CORPORALS AND ABOVE)

14. THE BERET IS THE PRIMARY HEADGEAR WORN WITH THE ASU BY ALL SOLDIERS
UNLESS THE COMMANDER DIRECTS WEAR OF THE SERVICE CAP (FOR CPLS AND
ABOVE).

15. OFFICER AND ENLISTED SOLDIERS IN THE GRADE OF CORPORAL AND ABOVE
WILL WEAR TROUSERS WITH A GOLD BRAID SEWN ON THE OUTSIDE OF SEAM OF EACH
TROUSER LEG OF THE NEW BLUE ASU. THE BRAID WILL BE SEWN FROM THE BOTTOM
OF THE WAISTBAND TO THE BOTTOM OF THE TROUSER LEG (SOLDIERS ASSIGNED TO
THE OLD GUARD ARE AUTHORIZED THE GOLD BRAID REGARDLESS OF GRADE). ON
THE NEW ASU, SERVICE STRIPES ARE AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR ON THE LEFT SLEEVE
FOR ENLISTED SOLDIERS AND OVERSEAS SERVICE BAR(S) ON THE RIGHT SLEEVE
FOR BOTH OFFICERS AND ENLISTED SOLDIERS. THE SERVICE STRIPES AND
OVERSEAS SERVICE BARS ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE TO THE ONES CURRENTLY WORN ON
THE ARMY GREEN UNIFORM. THE NEW SERVICE STRIPES AND OVERSEAS SERVICE
BARS WILL BE GOLD IN COLOR AND TRIMMED IN BLUE TO MATCH THE ASU. AS WE
TRANSITION TO THE NEW ASU, WE MAINTAIN OUR TRADITIONAL LARGER SERVICE
STRIPES ON THE OPTIONAL WHITE AND BLUE (SHORT JACKET) MESS DRESS
UNIFORM.

16. FOR THOSE SOLDIERS WHO HAVE PURCHASED THE CURRENT (OLD) BLUE
UNIFORM, THIS UNIFORM WILL REMAIN AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR UNTIL THE
MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE FOR THE NEW ASU, 4TH QUARTER OF FY 2014.
SOLDIERS WHO HAVE THE CURRENT (OLD) BLUE UNIFORM ARE NOT REQUIRED TO
REMOVE THE EXISTING LARGE SERVICE STRIPES. PRIVATES THROUGH SPECIALISTS
WHO NOW OWN THE CURRENT BLUE TROUSERS' ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE
EXISTING GOLD BRAID ON THEIR TROUSER LEGS. SOLDIERS WHO PURCHASE THE
NEW ASU ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ALL WEAR POLICIES OUTLINED IN THIS
MESSAGE. THE INTENT OF THIS BRIDGING STRATEGY IS TO ALLOW FOR MAXIMUM
WEAR OF THE EXISTING UNIFORMS AND ESTABLISH POLICY FOR THEIR
REPLACEMENT. DURING THIS TRANSFORMATION PERIOD WE WILL HAVE SOLDIERS IN
MIXED UNIFORMS. THE ARMY IS IN TRANSFORMATION.

17. BEGINNING IN 4TH QUARTER FY 2009, SOLDIERS HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE
THEIR OFFICIAL DA PHOTO IN THE ASU. THIS IS STRICTLY OPTIONAL ON THE
SOLDIERS PART. SOLDIERS CAN STILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THEIR DA PHOTO IN
THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE UNIFORM UNTIL THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE OF
4TH QUARTER FY 2014. DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD, OFFICIAL DA PHOTOS
CAN BE IN EITHER THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE UNIFORM OR THE ASU.

18. THE WEAR OUT DATE FOR THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE UNIFORM WITH
ACCESSORIES IS THE 4TH QUARTER OF FY 2014.

19. ALL NEW INSIGNIAS WORN ON THE ASU WILL BE DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED BY
THE INSTITUTE OF HERALDRY.

20. THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE ARMY G-1.

21. HQDA POC FOR UNIFORM WEAR POLICY IS SGM KATRINA EASLEY,
KATRINA.EASLEY@HQDA.ARMY.MIL, DSN 225-5406, (703) 695-5406.

22. EXPIRATION: THIS MESSAGE EXPIRES UPON NEXT PUBLICATION OF AR 670-1.

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

[cleerje]

What was wrong with green? Blue is for the air force and navy.
The marine corps has used the same dress uniform for 60 years.
Why does the army feel the need to change to a blue uniform when green is more appropriate (at least in my opinion)? Green seems more appropriate for ground troops.

[CPT Burritt]

Green is not the historic color of the Army, you just haven't seen a lot of people wear it since the Greens came out.

Watch a Civil War film sometime. Those are the uniforms our formal dress uniform has always been based off of. Personally, I love my blues. I'm not pumped about losing my patches, and I'm intrigued to see what the CSIB will look like... :rolleyes:

CPT B

[WO1 Quinones]

I just became a member of the Air Force JROTC!!! Sorry but I am not feeling these changes!!! Just like the ACU; this one has been gaffed up!! They were going with a grey shirt instead and didnt. Also, they should of returned to placing enlisted ranks on the sleeves. I guess Christmas came early with these designs. Look at all those acroutments!! Nice Fruit Salad!! If they werent bringing back the Pink and Greens and going back to our Civil War roots then they should have done it right. Should of just kept the Greens then if it was coming to this. Bloused trouses on the Dress Blues doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy (just to appease the Airborne Guys); and I know since I have my Class As trousers bloused when I was with the 101st. Oh well; retirement in 2014.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassB_male.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassA_female.jpg

Today's Army times

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/08/army_newblueuniform_082008w/

http://www.armytimes.com/

[7011USMC]

I just became a member of the Air Force ROTC!!! Sorry but I am not feeling these changes!!! Just like the ACU; this one has been gaffed up!! They were going with a grey shirt instead and didnt. Also, they should of returned to placing enlisted ranks on the sleeves. I guess Christmas came early with these designs. Look at all those acroutments!! Nice Fruit Salad!! If they werent bringing back the Pink and Greens and going back to our Civil War roots then they should have done it right. Should of just kept the Greens then if it was coming to this. Bloused trouses on the Dress Blues doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy (just to appease the Airborne Guys); and I know since I have my Class As trousers bloused when I was with the 101st. Oh well; retirement in 2014.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassB_male.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassA_female.jpg

Today's Army times

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/08/army_newblueuniform_082008w/

http://www.armytimes.com/

WOW...That is a awesome uniform. Doesn't look like civil war uni's too me, but none the less sharp. I bet that white shirt will be hard to maintain. Can the SFC/MSG 1SG/SGM can't tell in the image... put one more badge on that shirt? Audie Murphy "all the way" Hooah!

[WO1 Quinones]

WOW...That is a awesome uniform. Doesn't look like civil war uni's too me, but none the less sharp. I bet that white shirt will be hard to maintain. Can the SFC/MSG 1SG/SGM can't tell in the image... put one more badge on that shirt? Audie Murphy "all the way" Hooah!


yes especially Audie Murphy with the 3rd ID patch!! Nice place to put the SSI and you can flaunt the overseas service stripes as well. Let me go re-tailor!!

[WO1 Quinones]

WOW...That is a awesome uniform!


you had to see the militarytimes forum on it. it was hiliarious.

[sharp]

Wow. kinda thought they were doing something with the uniform until I seen those pictures. I have a C.A.R. and do not believe the only m.o.s that should be recognized is infantry because their not the only combat source. That being said....wow. The uniform doesn't appear very squared away.

[CPT Burritt]

Doesn't look like civil war uni's too me, but none the less sharp.

The color scheme originates from the revolutionary/civil war era. The Army has had a blue uniform in its inventory from its inception.

[7011USMC]

The color scheme originates from the revolutionary/civil war era. The Army has had a blue uniform in its inventory from its inception.

Roger Sir. None the less a welcome change.

[WO1 Quinones]

Roger Sir. None the less a welcome change.
oh definitely. matter of fact; give us the exact replicas of those eras ;)

[7011USMC]

If were going old school I want a "IKE jacket".

[WO1 Quinones]

If were going old school I want a "IKE jacket".
No way. World War 1 with the Mandarin Collar!!! Ooh Rah!! oops Hooah!!

[7011USMC]

No way. World War 1 with the Mandarin Collar!!! Ooh Rah!! oops Hooah!!

Can you wear the "Woolie Poolie" with that? :rolleyes:

[WO1 Quinones]

Can you wear the "Woolie Poolie" with that? :rolleyes:
which one? the green marine one or the black army one? lol

[7011USMC]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassB_male.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassA_female.jpg

The model is a CSM

Hooah roger that Sir! Didn't have my BC's on.

[WO1 Quinones]

Hooah roger that Sir! Didn't have my BC's on.
well I needed my BCs as well because I saw the Army Times today and he is a TOP :) They look a little better in the paper but I am still not liking that white shirt (I guess they should change the white T-shirt as well lol). The combat patch is now a badge that is shown on the front mid area in the female soldier pic and on the right breast pocket for males.

[qcomer]

So you no longer sew the combat patch on the sleeve anymore? Do you still sew your unit patch on the left side?

Ugh, I liked the greens. Wished we could go back to khakis :)

[WO1 Quinones]

So you no longer sew the combat patch on the sleeve anymore? Do you still sew your unit patch on the left side?

Ugh, I liked the greens. Wished we could go back to khakis :)
No unit patches on the sleeve. You still will have the service stripes and overseas service bars but for unit identification; you will have the DUI - Distinctive Unit Insignia that goes on the enlisted epilets. WWII Pink and Greens were sharp!!

[LT_77]

why must we wear so many doo-dads on our uniforms....like someone said a while back, what are we... JROTC?

Badges for this, patches and medals/awards for retention, just like kids nowadays, everybody gets a blue ribbon so nobody feels bad. :rolleyes:

[SteveLord]

JROTC...sums it up perfectly. YUCK.

[WO1 Quinones]

This is a great day Youngbloods!! The website is unveiled!! CAN YOU DIG IT!!??

http://www.army.mil/asu/

[7011USMC]

Good post Chief; I like the gold braids on the trousers kinda like the blood stripe in the Corps (NCO's and Officers). Like anything with change it will grow on you.:rolleyes:

[WO1 Quinones]

Good post Chief; I like the gold braids on the trousers kinda like the blood stripe in the Corps (NCO's and Officers). Like anything with change it will grow on you.:rolleyes:
But that white shirt and tons of badges on it is killing me

[CPT Burritt]

This is what Securitas would look like if they had badges and medals.

[r4d4r]

JROTC...sums it up perfectly. YUCK.
jrotc is one of the only reason i actualy like to go to school.its a really good class

[CPT Burritt]

I've never had an official DA photo. But then, I've been deployed when the packets for both promotions went forward.

[LT_77]

But that white shirt and tons of badges on it is killing me

Yes...you too can look like an Ecuadorian General! :D All we need now are the sashes and oversized medals

[WO1 Quinones]

This is what Securitas would look like if they had badges and medals.

I rather have the Roman hat to go with this uniform.:D

[7011USMC]

I want cave man look....loin cloth and club:eek:

[WO1 Quinones]

I want cave man look....loin cloth and club:eek:

you want to be able to bash females on the head and take them back to the cave with you. dumb devil dog mentality lol

[7011USMC]

you want to be able to bash females on the head and take them back to the cave with you. dumb devil dog mentality lol

Hey I resemble that remark! What happen to "don't ask don't tell".....doesn't that apply to hetro***uals....:rolleyes:

[WO1 Quinones]

Hey I resemble that remark! What happen to "don't ask don't tell".....doesn't that apply to hetro***uals....:rolleyes:

recheck your sentence or go to this forum for guidance lol

http://www.800goguard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11163&page=5

[7011USMC]

recheck your sentence or go to this forum for guidance lol

http://www.800goguard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11163&page=5

Checkmate Chief! You are quick on the draw. I admit I may need to take a MCI for grammar LOL.

[arb07d]

reminds me of my unlce in his airforce uniform years ago

[WO1 Quinones]

reminds me of my unlce in his airforce uniform years ago

Do we need to mention more???? :mad:

[ctfrasier]

The combat service ID badges sort of look like something you'd buy at a gas station.

With all the badges, the Class Bs do seem to be a bit cluttered.

[WO1 Quinones]

I just became a member of the Air Force JROTC!!! Sorry but I am not feeling these changes!!! Just like the ACU; this one has been gaffed up!! They were going with a grey shirt instead and didnt. Also, they should of returned to placing enlisted ranks on the sleeves. I guess Christmas came early with these designs. Look at all those acroutments!! Nice Fruit Salad!! If they werent bringing back the Pink and Greens and going back to our Civil War roots then they should have done it right. Should of just kept the Greens then if it was coming to this. Bloused trouses on the Dress Blues doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy (just to appease the Airborne Guys); and I know since I have my Class As trousers bloused when I was with the 101st. Oh well; retirement in 2014.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassB_male.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/081908at_ClassA_female.jpg

Today's Army times

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/08/army_newblueuniform_082008w/

http://www.armytimes.com/


That we need to add a walkie talkie with a hand mike and we will look like Mall Security Guards.

[arb07d]

I keep thinking it'll grow on me, but every time i see a picture of this i see a new detail i dislike more than the last.

lets keep it simple, these are goofy

[7011USMC]

That we need to add a walkie talkie with a hand mike and we will look like Mall Security Guards.

We gotta runner between Abercrombie and Hollister. Roger that! Copy in hot persuit.:eek:

[WO1 Quinones]

We gotta runner between Abercrombie and Hollister. Roger that! Copy in hot persuit.:eek:

"man, I lost him. these ribbons and badges were weighing me down. shizer!! my mike just got caught in them!!! Not even one honie looking my way. I know its not me but this candy azz uniform."

[7011USMC]

Don't buck the system buckaroo. I would caution the "heavy" soldiers not too load down that "b" uniform with all the bells and whistles. It just might put them over the top. Choose your poison profile time or tape time.:rolleyes:

[WO1 Quinones]

Went to clothing and sales and no new white shirts yet. Have to bring my blues jacket back to get my overseas service stripes sewn on. im so motivated :(

BTW, if you want to experience some Democracy then click this link.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/noblueASU/

[wafflecopter]

Definately should go with an entirely different, appealing dress uniform, and makes people go "Hey, that guy is in the Army. Notice his badass uniform."

[WO1 Quinones]

Definately should go with an entirely different, appealing dress uniform, and makes people go "Hey, that guy is in the Army. Notice his badass uniform."


I think someone said that to a soldier like in the early 50s. Right before the Army switched to the greens. lol

[CPT Burritt]

BTW, if you want to experience some Democracy then click this link.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/noblueASU/

No offense to the petition author, but why didn't he and his multitude of friends who don't want a blue uniform contact the CoC at PEOSoldier to express their views? Surely so many dissenting opinions couldn't be ignored...

3 out of 4 services have blue uniforms, yes. But the AF only has it because they originated as part of the Army. They just weren't dumb enough to change it to another color like we were :).

[WO1 Quinones]

Alot of my peers stated that they knew soldiers who contributed on PEOSoldier but none of their requests came to fruition. Boy, I miss these days.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/class1.jpg

[SteveLord]

Online petitions are as silly as it gets. Even sillier than the uniform itself...which is featured in the latest Army Times by the way.

[WO1 Quinones]

Online petitions are as silly as it gets. Even sillier than the uniform itself...which is featured in the latest Army Times by the way.

that online petition for lowering the reserve/guard retirement age to 55 has served no purpose lol

[WO1 Quinones]

Singing the blues: ASU letters

Readers react to new Army Service Uniform
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Posted : September 15, 2008

Third World dictator. Mall security guard. Nutcracker doll.

Readers have responded passionately — and critically — to the new Army Service Uniform.

The critics may represent a vocal minority. But in dozens of letters to Army Times and message board postings on ArmyTimes.com, soldiers and veterans blasted the new dress blues.

The new uniform goes on sale in clothing stores next summer and will replace the green service uniform, which has a 2014 wear-out date.

The Army says uniform surveys of soldiers helped guide the changes to the new Class A’s and B’s, and that a consensus among soldiers indicates the new ASU is the right uniform.

“The new blue Army Service Uniform reflects the input of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and leaders from all Army components who have told the Army for the last two years what they want and expect in the ASU,” Lt. Col. Lee Packnett, a spokesman in the Army’s media relations division, said in a statement. “Soldiers want a uniform that reflects their pride of service, service traditions, and functionality.

“The wear policy for the blue ASU is intended to give soldiers what they have asked for in a service uniform while maintaining the traditions of our service — combat service identification, overseas service bars, black jump boots for paratroopers.

“The Army leadership will continue to listen to soldiers and soldier forums, and solicit their input as soon as the uniform and accouterments become available for wear.”

In their responses to Army Times, soldiers weighed in on everything from the color of the uniform to the placement of unit insignia and combat badges. Here is a selection of the responses received.

From our mailbox
The Army has successfully destroyed every uniform we have. There is nothing about the ASU that says, “Army.” I am a recruiter. How in the world am I supposed to represent the Army while wearing that hideous uniform? Has anyone ever heard of the phrase, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it?” I don’t know which soldiers took the survey, but I haven’t met one fellow soldier who likes that new uniform. In my opinion, we need to go back to the old khaki uniforms.

Staff Sgt. Andrew Lee

Greenfield, Ind.

Hate it. So much for tradition. What happened to unit patches? If we are wearing subdued patches on the [Army Combat Uniform] and no patches or unit patch pins on the A’s, when will we see the large colorful 1st Cavalry patch or the Big Red One of the 1st Infantry Division ever again? So much for tradition, history and pride.

Sgt. 1st Class Joao M. Vaz

Monterey, Calif.

Don’t like it. Our soldiers now look like something out of the Nutcracker.

Command Sgt. Maj. Larry E. North (ret.)

Crestview, Fla.

They should have stayed with the greens. Now this is just more things that have to go onto a simple uniform, making it more complex than it has to be. I remember looking at my grandfather’s greens and seeing one patch, a row of ribbons, a few overseas stripes and the branch insignia. Now we have to clutter our uniform with chaff to call ourselves qualified to be a soldier.

Capt. Brendan Barclay

Colorado Springs, Colo.


Should have asked the German army to design our new duds. [Gen. Peter] Schoomaker’s legacy is a lame uniform.

Sgt. A.J. Kiekbusch (ret.)

Goodyear, Ariz.

I think it’s a good idea. Go Army!

Sgt. 1st Class John W. Carter

Fort Carson, Colo.

The photos of the new Army uniforms turned my stomach. Does anyone like these new uniforms? We are soldiers, not Christmas trees with colored decorations wearing snow-white shirts. I feel sorry and embarrassed for anyone having to wear this rubbish. Thank God I’m retired.

Sgt. 1st Class Kent Mathieu (ret.)

Kapolei, Hawaii

I hate it. It is that simple. Very tacky. All of it is bad.

1st Lt. Esteban Lopez

Imperial Valley, Calif.

There is a reason we wore green: because we are the largest, best-trained, best-equipped military ground fighting force in the world. The Navy and Marines are on water, which is blue; the Air Force is in the sky, which is blue; and we are on the ground, which is green! Somebody somewhere needs to rethink this idea.

The other services laugh at us daily because we are starting to look more and more like a band leader than a soldier. There is a reason the Marines are so respected, they stick to tradition. Why don’t we do that too? Stop going back, and don’t fix what isn’t broken.

Sgt. 1st Class Steven W. Grudzinski

Hopkinsville, Ky.

Throughout the years, I have quietly sat back and watched as the Army has gone through several changes in my 19-year career. Some of the changes and been good. The new proposed Army uniform is the poorest decision and greatest mistake I have ever seen.

The powers that be have decided that they need to try to combine the two uniforms to some how “lighten the load” on our soldiers. Many soldiers, including this one, would gladly carry more weight if it meant we would continue to look like professional soldiers and not like mall security guards. I strongly feel that the new proposed dress uniform is, in all honestly, not what we as an Army need and does not keep the Army traditions alive.

Capt. David T. Powell

Dayton, Ohio

My first reaction to seeing the new Army Service Uniform has not improved with time. This is an incredible example of a uniform board that has run amok and incorporated every imaginable recommendation to ruin a perfectly elegant dress blue uniform.

The result is something we might see off the back lot of a Hollywood sitcom that is doomed for cancellation after one season. This new uniform now has more decorations dangling from it than a Christmas tree, and when considering a special operations beret, more colors than a circus clown. With the new Class B’s, uninitiated civilians will think they are looking at a customs agent or local law enforcement officer.

Sgt. Maj. of the Army Kenneth Preston’s declaration that this uniform will showcase the Army is woefully mistaken. It is showboating — an idea a Third World dictator would love. I’ve got my 30, so I don’t have to wear it. But I feel sorry for those who have no choice.

Maj. Steven D. Owens (ret.)

Manassas, Va.

[WO1 Quinones]

they posted my comment on page 10 on the Army Times about the uniform backlash.

[SteveLord]

Nutcracker? Band leader? Christmas Tree?

That's funny.......and true. I swear the Army pulls these "opinions" out of thin air for everything new they make. ACUs, assault rifles, dress uniforms, etc

[SteveLord]

omg...ice cream man, mall security comments....priceless


"I know there are some militias that have a more appealing dress uniform than this"

[shutterm4]

Alot of my peers stated that they knew soldiers who contributed on PEOSoldier but none of their requests came to fruition. Boy, I miss these days.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/class1.jpg

What position are the Men in the picture standing at? Parade front rest? or Group, Attention, DO WHAT (prepatory command) EVER YOU WANT (command of execution.) Marines have no discipline, and to think they are all NCO's!!

Just kidding Chief..

1 Chief

2 Chief...

[WO1 Quinones]

What position are the Men in the picture standing at? Parade front rest? or Group, Attention, DO WHAT (prepatory command) EVER YOU WANT (command of execution.) Marines have no discipline, and to think they are all NCO's!!

Just kidding Chief..

1 Chief

2 Chief...

there should be like me in my MP BNCOC Class as shown :D (Im first row standing, last on the right)

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/signalwarrant/IMGP0191.jpg

[WIBecky74]

2/49 aint bad

[shutterm4]

I was excited about getting blues. Now, not so much, that **** looks tacky. something straight out of an under developed nation. I would prefer to have to deal with two uniforms then wear this new ASU.

[LT_77]

ya know...even though I'm not a big fan I find it ironic that the Army changed the uniform based solely on the input from service members...and then once the new uniform was out those same service members hate it and want something else :rolleyes:

Its almost like the grass is always greener concept. We talk about how we HAD to have a designation for wartime service, and the Blues don't have sleeve patches so they incorporated a badge on the pocket to designate wartime service. Now people say it looks tacky...and it does. We talk about how it looks like JROTC with all the **** hanging off of it, but most people WANT that, and secretly love every time they get to put another shiny something on their uniform.

You can keep the wartime service trinket, keep the service and overseas stripes, keep all the unit designations blah blah... Less is more.

[WO1 Quinones]

Sir, on the armytimes.com forum its so slanted when it comes to this but a poster wrote in which I remember (around year 2000) that an issue on the Army Times had a vote for the new Army dress uniform (our had pictures of the new ideas). It showed the enlisted ranks going on the sleeve and changing the lime green shirt. Believe me, I voted and wanted the uniform to go to its WWII (greatest generation) roots and many others agreed so I am baffled to who would sign off on this. To me, its just the bottom line, in trying to save funds and this was in their "best" option.

I even voted for Multicam but lost on that too.

[SteveLord]

It came down to this...they looked at the soldiers' opinions and then went down to the cheapest solution.

Multicam > ACUs.

[ctfrasier]

Its almost like the grass is always greener concept. We talk about how we HAD to have a designation for wartime service, and the Blues don't have sleeve patches so they incorporated a badge on the pocket to designate wartime service. Now people say it looks tacky...and it does. We talk about how it looks like JROTC with all the **** hanging off of it, but most people WANT that, and secretly love every time they get to put another shiny something on their uniform.


This statement makes me think of my college girlfriend and her co-workers at Outback. Man, those folks got EXCITED about winning those pins they all wear.

[QuantumRN]

I agree with LT 77, I think y'all secretly like the BLING! :rolleyes:

[SteveLord]

Yeah....about as much as the LT secretly likes wearing his ProMask for all training activities.

[QuantumRN]

Yeah....about as much as the LT secretly likes wearing his ProMask for all training activities.

Wish I had a promask when I worked GYN on a marine corps base..... (insert barfing smiley here) lol

[LT_77]

Yeah....about as much as the LT secretly likes wearing his ProMask for all training activities.

I was glad to see that during our AT AAR several Commanders had "no pro mask" on their briefings to the BN CDR. :cool:

Alas, I still think we shall continue to wear said device. Evil.

[WO1 Quinones]

so how about those blues??? :)

[WO1 Quinones]

http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/images/statusicon/post_new.gif Today, 11:18 AM
CW5mgsmith (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/member.php?u=346)
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http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Army streamlines dress uniforms
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Originally Posted by LQUINONE http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=134514#post134514)
Outstanding post Mosby. Chevy72 was sent by the uniform board in order to provide balance to the forum lol. The negative still outweighs the postive. Chevy, the point is that the majority of servicemembers dont care about tradition or having to pay for more in regards to a good dress uniform or Multicam. I never had 3 uniforms anyway and now as an offiicer that I dont receive a clothing allowance; I still wouldnt mind shelling out for a good uniform (e.g. pink and greens). As this post stated, tradition has been watered down so much that its a moot point. Yes, the dress blues look good for funeral details but not for payday activities. The Marines have 3 uniforms and love it. Man, they are the ones with the cheapest budget but yet still get the uniforms right regardless.


WO1 Quinones




The wisdom of a WO1 is amazing! I began my career as a Marine and always preferred their uniform for several reasons. The new ASU is simply pathetic. Did anyone even consider a khaki shirt instead of that ridiculous white shirt, not that it would have helped much.

I wonder how many times I have seen references to "pinks and greens"? That was one sharp uniform which could easily be modified with new materials, etc. to fit today's uniform needs. As to tradition.....the color and style IS tradition and at a time when the US Army was 8 million strong. Now that is Army Strong!


Here's what I would do.
1. dump the ASU, keep the current Dress Blues for those rare occasions.
2. return to the WWII color and style (pinks and greens). The Navy and Air Force are blue. The Marines are green (forest green). The Army shouldn't be either blue or green, let's be distrinctive and return to the "brown" of WWII.
3. dump the beret. If the elites want to wear it, so be it, but don't make the rest of the Army.
4. simplify and streamline the class A. Dump all the christmas tree ornaments like DUI, regimental crests, etc. Move ALL awards to the left to include unit citations. Wear of unit citations on the right was ok when there were but one or two, but now Soliders wear rows of unit citations. I would allow foreign jump wings only on the right (and then reluctantly).
5. brown shoes with the pinks and greens along with brown bill on the crushed bus drivers cap. Brown for the elites who want to wear jump boots (maybe the current brown boots would work).
6. return to overseas cap, especially for enlisted Soldiers.
7. modify the ACU by dumping velcro and allowing sew on. I don't like all the junk and the sew ons, but most do.
8. consider two ACUs. Like the Marines, one color for the desert and one standardized.
9. let the troops roll up the sleeves on the ACU!! It is hot out there folks and every little bit helps. Don't give me that camo routine, heat stroke is much worse than loss of camo. Does anyone ever consider comfort?
In Viet Nam we were forced to wear the flak jacket, which we did but with either just a tshirt or nothing underneath. It was so hot in Iraq with all that battle rattle I thought the heat would **** me long before IEDs, etc..


Ok, I'm done. I just retired last month after 36 years (I'd have made 40 if I hadn't left the service for awhile). I got my final two cents worth and will head for the golf course. Best of luck to all who continue to march!!


CW5 S

[CPT Burritt]

You know, I find it interesting that all the former Marines who have tranferred over to the Army side seem to have this ridiculous drive to make the Army look like the Marine Corps.

Blue is the Army's traditional color. Just because you aren't old enough to remember it, doesn't make it true. We've been wearing a blue uniform since the time that there was only 1 available, and Marines and even the Navy were but a twinkle in old Uncle Sam's eye.

The Air Force came from the Army, so they can wear the same color, but a different uniform. I think they've achieved that goal. Just because the civilian populace doesn't pay enough attention to be able to tell the difference...

No one here can make me believe that our blues look like the Marine uniform enough to be confused with them except by the aforementioned civilian public.Their uniform is distinct, and it should stay that way.

As far as awards, I completely disagree with the Chief that we should lose our distinctive uniform items. RDI/Unit Awards/Individual ribbons I think are perfectly represented on the current uniform. I'll only agree that the white shirt does not appear to be the best option. I'll also say that I don't particularly like the decision to have small hashes on the sleeves denoting combat service and enlisted service. I feel that the larger full sleeve markings are a more adequate representation of someones service.

[WO1 Quinones]

CPT,

So you saying that the Army's Uniforms from WWI (leatherneck type) to WWII (pink and greens that resemble the corps) were the Army's way of trying to emulate them? I dont think so.

I even like the West Point Cadets uniform and that will look great if that was part of the US Army regular wardrobe.

Thousands of soldiers with no prior service desire the WWII type of uniform. Every soldier that I came across has told me that. I dont like that white shirt and all those badges on it at all.

The Army's dress blues are nice but I dont like the white shirt and tie but that is how it will always be. I think the beret is a travesity. I miss my old garrison cap :)

[CPT Burritt]

I'm not saying that people wouldn't like pinks and greens more.

What I'm disappointed in is everybody saying we shouldn't have a blue uniform. I'm tired of the oldest arm of US foreign policy being denigrated for wearing their uniform color that we have sweat and bled in for many more years than any other service.

Soldier preference has nothing to do with it. The decision has been made. Now we move forward. But I'm tired of people trying to explain why we shouldn't be wearing blue, when it was ours to begin with.

[WO1 Quinones]

True. We will move forward as always. We moved forward with the beret and soldiers are still politicing to get rid of it. :)

[andrew.tischner]

wow does that uniform look retarded. Wow hate it . Could actualy be worse that greens which i hate.

Army dress blues right now are the sharpest uniform i think.

[SteveLord]

At least I won't be worrying about wearing it. I only have to **** in the gut and squeeze into my good ol greens for 1 more xmas party.

[shutterm4]

True. We will move forward as always. We moved forward with the beret and soldiers are still politicing to get rid of it. :)

And after however long the army has had the Beret, people still look like **** in it. An ate up looking beret is my number 1 pet peeve.

[Mildawg]

But on the plus side, you can still wear your sweater over the class b's.. that might save them a bit.

[WO1 Quinones]

I will be deleting this post from the other thread.

in this weeks army times.

Letters

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Posted : September 29, 2008

More blues backlash

I like the idea of a new dress uniform. The greens had to go away.
I hate a few things about the dress blues.
First of all, why do away with the wearing of a combat patch on the right sleeve? The idea of a pin on the pocket is just one more pin that needs to be put on. Either use a patch or don’t. I don’t need a pin or patch to prove I have been in combat. My Purple Heart and Combat Infantryman Badge speak for my service.
Second, come up with one headgear for everyone — not three different ones depending on rank or gender. I wonder what the powers that be are thinking when they come up with the uniform changes.
Staff Sgt. Armando Cora
Shelton, Conn.

I read the “Singing the blues” article and previous articles concerning the new Army Service Uniform.
Years ago, there was an article in Army Times about a New York fashion designer who created or designed concepts for a new Army Service Uniform [“A top designer turns your ideas into uniforms,” July 30, 2001]. The article talked about how the majority of soldiers wanted to return to the “pinks and greens,” the Army Service Uniform during World War II.
My question is, why didn’t the Army implement that uniform when that’s what soldiers surveyed requested? It is my opinion that the overwhelming majority of soldiers today would still prefer the “pinks and greens” to be the new Army Service Uniform.
Lt. Col. Craig T. Snow
Fort Bragg, N.C.

I’m finally convinced the uniform and accessories companies are owned entirely by generals who have the authority to change the uniforms as they wish. That leg stripe proves someone is trying to make the Army look like highway patrol troopers. Where’s the big hat, guys?
I would be happy to see a soldier in clean, pressed khakis. All I’ve seen lately are those camouflaged fatigues. I haven’t seen them in church but the military people I’ve seen in church wear civvies.
Are there no limits on where those ugly baggies can be worn? There should be.
Sgt. Maj. Grady J. Stewart (ret.)
San Antonio

I read the Sept. 15 issue with big laughs on comments provided by soldiers of all ranks on how ridiculous the decision on the new Army Service Uniform is [“Singing the blues”].
The Army leadership totally missed the first call formation on this. I for one would love to see the chief of staff and the sergeant major of the Army wear the Class B around the Pentagon for the rest of their tour and ask those soldiers in the building for their opinion. Most likely they will receive a blank stare, and most definitely, hesitant responses.
Then again, the soldiers will probably give them positive answers because of their positions.
Did you know with all the comments posted in this issue, few were positive? What does that tell the Army leadership?
The dress blue should stay as is: a distinct uniform for special occasions.
Master Sgt. Maturo F. Taulai (ret.)
Schertz, Texas

In reference to the “Boos for new blues” letters in the Sept 8 edition: As a captain attending the Intelligence Advanced Course at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., but living in Bisbee, I, along with another student (a major) was invited to attend a formal fund-raiser at a country club.
While standing together in our Army dress blue uniforms in the front lobby of the club, which opened onto the club’s circular driveway, a very irate man verbally accosted us, saying, “Get your G-- d--- bus out of the driveway, you’re blocking traffic.”
It was a mistake, as we were not the drivers of the bus, but in our blue uniforms, we appeared to be.
I believe the Army is making a serious mistake by ordering what appears to be a positive change when it is really not. I wonder how the Army has the money to spend on new uniforms when current personnel, medical, and materiel needs go unmet.
Until the Army’s costs related to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are paid for, new Class A and B uniforms seem an unneeded luxury rather than an actual necessity.
Col. John E. Ryan (ret.)
Beaverton, Ore.

Over one year ago, I read about the impending change of Army uniforms. I had hoped that the day would never come, but the green would become history and blue would become the standard.
I always thought that the Army wore green because it symbolized the green hills, valleys and plains in which it pursue its foes. The Air Force wore blue symbolizing the skies and the blue yonder where it pursues its foes.
Now the blue uniform, which was ceremonial, becomes the standard Class A. What, then, is ceremonial, or is it an element of the past?
As I look at what has been shown as the Class B uniform, it looks overburdened with unit patches and ribbons and other citations. The Class B uniform looks the same as the police uniform in my hometown.
Changing of uniforms does not make an Army strong. Proper training, equipping and caring for soldiers and families and caring for them after combat, as well as providing retirement benefits, to include recognition and respect — that makes an Army strong.
Col. Eric E. Dawson (ret.)
Melbourne, Fla.

I am a veteran of Airborne, Ranger and Special Forces units. I also had the privilege to serve as a drill sergeant. When I saw the article announcing that the Class A greens were to be replaced with the dress blue uniform, I was dumbfounded, and when I saw the official pictures, I knew that aliens had taken over the Pentagon.
What is the sergeant major of the Army doing? Are all of the leaders deployed? Who is the individual in charge of this so-called survey? I want to see it in writing. You cannot tell me my fellow soldiers want a uniform that looks as hideous as that.
When Gen. Douglas MacArthur ordered all of the cavalry horses shot, the Army was in a field green uniform. You better rethink this one. This is the worst case of FUBAR I have ever seen.
If you must continue with this action, at least get rid of the white shirt and go with a dark blue like the jacket. And match the pants color with jacket. Also keep the unit patches on the shoulder.
Sgt. 1st Class Robert J. Wynn (ret.)
Florissant, Colo.

Horrible. Never saw anything so ridiculous. The stripe band on the trousers will prove to be a headache as that black band on the officer’s green trousers always became frayed around the pockets.
I am glad that I am retired and will not have to get dressed in a “band uniform.” Please, please revisit this or we will be the laughingstock of the military services.
Lt. Col. James J. Rudy (ret.)
Seneca, S.C.

I’ve been reading for a few weeks about the new ASU blue uniform. The more I read and see pictures of it, the more I dislike it.
Army dress blues have always been good-looking. The greens have always been decent, too. But, if we’re going to drop the greens, we should keep the blues as they’ve always been, and just add unit and combat patches to the shoulders. This pin-on junk down on the pocket is stupid, especially on the female uniform.
Also, let’s ditch the beret. Back in the 1990s, I couldn’t wait to get my maroon beret after I became an Airborne soldier. Then, after having to wear it everyday, I realized that a beret is not a practical headgear, especially in battle dress uniforms or the current Army combat uniforms. Not to mention that most people do not look good in a beret, because they don’t wear the right size or even know how to wear it properly.
What really gets me is that with all that’s going on in our military — for example, the war in both Iraq and Afghanistan — that we are devoting money, time and manpower to field a new dress uniform that really does make a soldier look like a mall security guard.
Shouldn’t we devote our time, money and manpower to the needs of our forward-deployed soldiers and how to better take care of their families?
Sgt. Sean Moore
Dickson, Tenn.

[LT_77]

You know what's funny, all this backlash...and for nothing. The Army has said what the uniform will be, it is what it is. :cool:

[7011USMC]

A happy soldier is a b-it-ching soldier!:D We have a runner in isle 9 squawk....roger wil co, savoy 9 in route to mall interrogations.:D